Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

So the 3 Westminster parties agreement lasted a whole 12 hours after the declaration.

Please read the articles on what the parties have said ( the leaders )

They haven't gone back on any agreement

 

[ger147]

No, not the case. People need to read beyond headlines

Cameron and Miliband are no longer in agreement, nothing to do with headlines.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cameron and Miliband are no longer in agreement, nothing to do with headlines.

Please point me to where exactly you are getting this info from - a link to an article would be good

 

[Old Skier]

Sounds like the SNP have rejected the result and are saying the campaign will never die. So that was a waste of a referendum.

 

[ger147]

Please point me to where exactly you are getting this info from - a link to an article would be good

It's in the article you posted i.e. Cameron's plan is to change English arrangements in parallel with new powers for Scotland. Ed disagrees, he wants Scottish new powers first and English changes later.

So the 2 big parties leaders are not in agreement with how to proceed.

 

[SocketRocket]

So the pensioners won it for NO. One man,one vote, but those leaving this mortal coil sooner than most decide the future for the rest of us.

Adi, that comment is not worthy of you. I accept you are disappointed but please dont pick on the Old, are they not worthy members of your country?

 

[Hacker Khan]

So the pensioners won it for NO. One man,one vote, but those leaving this mortal coil sooner than most decide the future for the rest of us.

Isn't that how it works at most golf clubs?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It's in the article you posted i.e. Cameron's plan is to change English arrangements in parallel with new powers for Scotland. Ed disagrees, he wants Scottish new powers first and English changes later.

So the 2 big parties leaders are not in agreement with how to proceed.

Hardly surprising.

Milliband is naturally concerned if Scottish members at Westminster were unable to vote on English issues the Labour Party would be unlikely to enjoy a majority on those issues.

Pity he didn't have a chat with Gordon Brown before the latter made his recent speech.

 

[ger147]

Hardly surprising.

Milliband is naturally concerned if Scottish members at Westminster were unable to vote on English issues the Labour Party would be unlikely to enjoy a majority on those issues.

Pity he didn't have a chat with Gordon Brown before the latter made his recent speech.

Fortunately I'm not one of the 16 or 17 year olds who voted this time around so I'm not exactly shocked. 12 hours is a poor show though, could at least have tried to kid us on for a week or two.

 

[williamalex1]

I think if Alec Salmond had explained things half as well and clear as Adi2Dassler has done on this forum, the result might have been different .

Well done Adi , i applaud you sir . :thup::cheers:

 

[Fish]

Some comments on social media from yes voters/campaigners are absolutely disgraceful. Apparently NO voters are (amongst other things) cowardly p(infractionns). Shocking behaviour! So much for accepting the majority decision! To paraphrase a well known dirge perhaps they should go home tae think again.

Salmond should go now, after all Cameron's jaiket was apparently on a shoogly peg last week. Will he do the decent thing? Will he go? Will he hell!

Thankfully the majority saw through the nonsense, scaremongering (yep a lot of it was), negativity toward our union of nations, bluster and fag packet economics of the yes campaign and have expressed their desire to remain in this wonderful United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I now hope our dear friends and neighbours get satisfaction with regards the West Lothian question as well. I feel they deserve it.

On a personal note I no longer need to feel embarrassed about the possibility of walking away from a moral duty to pay a share of the debt. Nor do I need to feel embarrassed about the barely concealed (from some,certainly not all) dislike/contempt/hatred of England and/or its people.



The union is good, the union is strong and the union is intact! Better together, stronger together and staying together!

Tonight I shall rejoice and the wine will flow.

RULE BRITANNIA.

:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think if Alec Salmond had explained things half as well and clear as Adi2Dassler has done on this forum, the result might have been different .

Well done Adi , i applaud you sir . :thup::cheers:

He has explaine dhis point well but again its the same with the rest of the Yes - the crucial answers from the big questions were still missing

Currency
Jobs
Defence
Budgets
Banks
Big companies.

 

[Stuey01]

It's in the article you posted i.e. Cameron's plan is to change English arrangements in parallel with new powers for Scotland. Ed disagrees, he wants Scottish new powers first and English changes later.

So the 2 big parties leaders are not in agreement with how to proceed.

So they are in disagreement about the timing of English reforms... Which was something that came up this morning, after the referendum and not affecting any promises made about Scotland that they have explicitly been at pains to state their commitment to...

Stop being so bloody negative.

 

[ger147]

So they are in disagreement about the timing of English reforms... Which was something that came up this morning, after the referendum and not affecting any promises made about Scotland that they have explicitly been at pains to state their commitment to...

Stop being so bloody negative.

The timing was part of the "vow" i.e. the timetable that Gordon Brown was stressing just a few days ago. Cameron is trying to add English reforms to the mix, Miliband won't support that. I'm not being negative, merely accurate i.e. the agreement between the major Westminster parties has already hit the skids.

 

[Val]

It's in the article you posted i.e. Cameron's plan is to change English arrangements in parallel with new powers for Scotland. Ed disagrees, he wants Scottish new powers first and English changes later.

So the 2 big parties leaders are not in agreement with how to proceed.

So in agreement just differing time scales

 

[ger147]

So in agreement just differing time scales

Not in agreement about English and Scottish changes in parallel.

The timescales were part of the "vow".

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Live footage shown on BBC 1 Scotland. Large crowd waving union jacks, singing rule britannia and lobbing missiles. Police dealing with the crowd. There is also a smaller Yes Scotland crowd who were already in the square, singing Flower of Scotland and lobbing missiles in the other direction.

Hopefully it's just tonight but deffo not the night to take the wife into town for a drink and a meal.

I really do hope this vote hasnt started to cause your country to tear itself apart.

 

[Val]

Not in agreement about English and Scottish changes in parallel.

But they haven't backed down on the changes of Scottish powers though, so I don't see the problem.

People hear what the want.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Kicking off about what ?

And do you have a link to the report

Do they need an excuse?
It was on Reporting Scotland 30 mins ago.

 

[ger147]

But they haven't backed down on the changes of Scottish powers though, so I don't see the problem.

People hear what the want.

The timescales were part of the "vow".

Cameron has changed the scope of the changes but wants to keep the same timescale, Ed disagrees. It's simple enough to understand.