Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

George Foulkes, former chairman of Hearts and a firm supporter of the No campaign, stressed that there was no evidence the attack had been carried out or orchestrated by No campaigners.

He said: “I deplore any physical violence but I think you have to be very careful about making claims about who is responsible.

“I would deplore it. But I suspect it may be being exaggerated and twisted to create counter balance to the attacks Jim Murphy has had to suffer.”


I also understand one No campaigner has suffered abuse a long the likes of being called a terrorist and a peadophile

This is exhibit 'A' as to why I can't treat you seriously.

You ask for evidence, I give it.It's pretty irrefutable, except for the words of George Foulkes, who anyone with any knowledge of Scotland, let alone the independence debate, knows is a complete fool.He's got a long history of being an idiot, an opinion shared by most jambos I know.

But to compound your own stupidity, you then compare physical attacks on a group to that of shouting names and throwing eggs.Seriously, get some perspective.

 

[Val]

This is exhibit 'A' as to why I can't treat you seriously.

You ask for evidence, I give it.It's pretty irrefutable, except for the words of George Foulkes, who anyone with any knowledge of Scotland, let alone the independence debate, knows is a complete fool.He's got a long history of being an idiot, an opinion shared by most jambos I know.

But to compound your own stupidity, you then compare physical attacks on a group to that of shouting names and throwing eggs.Seriously, get some perspective.

A bit like Jim Sillars and that well known Jambo Alex Salmond

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I watched the live debate last night from Edinburgh.

Much better than the first two, both sides spoke well, no shouting over each other even from Sturgeon, well chaired and some very good points made and information devolved that couldn't, or wouldn't be answered by the first two leaders.

I have to say though that the 'star' of the show for presentation was Ruth Davidson who was quite exceptional and eloquent. She should be in place of Darling.

David Torrance has been advocating Alexander/Davidson for months.

She did make me laugh with her Ukraine comparison but that apart, and her near teary final speech, I liked her.

Was much better, much more balanced ( except the plant from the no camp-the guy who was 'undecided' and talked about local govt...there's pics of him with labour for no banners on twitter)

A sign that Scotland can debate when the correct environment is given.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

A bit like Jim Sillars and that well known Jambo Alex Salmond

No way am I having that. Foulkes is in a different league of dafties to Salmond, and Jim Sillars is magnificent.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is exhibit 'A' as to why I can't treat you seriously.

You ask for evidence, I give it.It's pretty irrefutable, except for the words of George Foulkes, who anyone with any knowledge of Scotland, let alone the independence debate, knows is a complete fool.He's got a long history of being an idiot, an opinion shared by most jambos I know.

But to compound your own stupidity, you then compare physical attacks on a group to that of shouting names and throwing eggs.Seriously, get some perspective.

1. I asked for a link to the media coverage - never mentioned evidence

2. Is there any proof that it was a co ordinated attack by the No campaign ? Appears not - read the Huffington Post coverage and they mention the same thing - no evidence to proof a co ordinated attack and more than likely an argument that escalated after both sets having very strong opposite views

3. I never mentioned eggs - but verbal abuse can and most times is as harmful as physical abuse - a punch on the nose or being labelled a peadophile ? One could be very damaging to someone's whole life.

But the worst thing - it's got that nasty. - it's got to the stage that people have little respect for other people's views

Seen it on social media with the Yes people most certainly shouting down the No people

Common phrase - if you vote no then you are a traitor to Scotland - how pathetic is that

 

[Adi2Dassler]

1. I asked for a link to the media coverage - never mentioned evidence

2. Is there any proof that it was a co ordinated attack by the No campaign ? Appears not - read the Huffington Post coverage and they mention the same thing - no evidence to proof a co ordinated attack and more than likely an argument that escalated after both sets having very strong opposite views

3. I never mentioned eggs - but verbal abuse can and most times is as harmful as physical abuse - a punch on the nose or being labelled a peadophile ? One could be very damaging to someone's whole life.

But the worst thing - it's got that nasty. - it's got to the stage that people have little respect for other people's views

Seen it on social media with the Yes people most certainly shouting down the No people

Common phrase - if you vote no then you are a traitor to Scotland - how pathetic is that

Not nearly as pathetic as refusing to acknowledge that folk signing rule britannia then beating yes campaigners were unionists.Actually, that's not pathetic, just seriously stupid.

Anyway, you win.I can't take anymore of you so you're on ignore.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No way am I having that. Foulkes is in a different league of dafties to Salmond, and Jim Sillars is magnificent.

..and I am so missing Margo from this debate

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not nearly as pathetic as refusing to acknowledge that folk signing rule britannia then beating yes campaigners were unionists.Actually, that's not pathetic, just seriously stupid.

Anyway, you win.I can't take anymore of you so you're on ignore.

It's all pathetic it really is - beyond pathetic

It appears this vote is ripping a country apart - for a vote that is supposed to all about the good of the country it appears to be the total opposite.

The negative feeling that has grown between both parties is going to ruin Scotland

Oh and the article didn't say that people were signing Rule Britannia then beating Yes campaigners

They said it followed several earlier incidents in which they had been verbally abused by a gang bearing the Union Flag and singing Rule, Britannia!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

..and I am so missing Margo from this debate

Aye, me too.And if Sillars was OK by Margo, he's OK by me.

 

[ger147]

It's all pathetic it really is - beyond pathetic

It appears this vote is ripping a country apart - for a vote that is supposed to all about the good of the country it appears to be the total opposite.

The negative feeling that has grown between both parties is going to ruin Scotland

Oh and the article didn't say that people were signing Rule Britannia then beating Yes campaigners

They said it followed several earlier incidents in which they had been verbally abused by a gang bearing the Union Flag and singing Rule, Britannia!

It's not ripping anything apart. Scotland is just fine and will remain so no matter the outcome of the vote.

Don't mistake the media reporting of a few loonies from any/either side as indicative of something bigger - it's not.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's not ripping anything apart. Scotland is just fine and will remain so no matter the outcome of the vote.

Don't mistake the media reporting of a few loonies from any/either side as indicative of something bigger - it's not.

Absolutely -we in Scotland are used to the antics of idiots on either side of a 'divide' - usually much more noise than effect.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not ripping anything apart. Scotland is just fine and will remain so no matter the outcome of the vote.

Don't mistake the media reporting of a few loonies from any/either side as indicative of something bigger - it's not.

I really hope so

Just don't want to see this damage a cracking country and also damage a wonderful relationship between all the countries in the UK

 

[Val]

Aye, me too.And if Sillars was OK by Margo, he's OK by me.

My comment about Sillars was very tongue in cheek, he's a good egg in my book, very bright despite some ramblings from time to time.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Aye, me too.And if Sillars was OK by Margo, he's OK by me.

I really liked Margo (my avatar after all) and she would have been brilliant in this debate.

 

[ger147]

I really hope so

Just don't want to see this damage a cracking country and also damage a wonderful relationship between all the countries in the UK

This month's Yes/No clipboard on Buchanan St will be next month's "who is your electricity supplier" clipboard, there will be at least one kilted bagpipe busker and the Scots will continue to support anyone playing against England at football. ☺

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This month's Yes/No clipboard on Buchanan St will be next month's "who is your electricity supplier" clipboard, there will be at least one kilted bagpipe busker and the Scots will continue to support anyone playing against England at football. ☺

Good to hear

I do worry for someone people if there is a NO vote though ( which still appears to be what will happen )

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I really liked Margo (my avatar after all) and she would have been brilliant in this debate.

All ifs and ands, but if Margo MacDonald was still alive I genuinely believe YES would be in the 60% area by now.Woman would have flocked to her.

 

[CMAC]

Good to hear

I do worry for someone people if there is a NO vote though ( which still appears to be what will happen )

47-53 now avg of the polls, both sides will be very unsatisfied if by anychance it gets even closer. Yes I know either side will have 'won' even if its by 1 vote but I reckon you know what I mean.

 

[FairwayDodger]

All ifs and ands, but if Margo MacDonald was still alive I genuinely believe YES would be in the 60% area by now.Woman would have flocked to her.

Not dissing Margo, but that's a pretty patronising view. Maybe women would just continue to make our minds up based on our perception of the issues?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Not dissing Margo, but that's a pretty patronising view. Maybe women would just continue to make our minds up based on our perception of the issues?

Maybe is patronising, and not my intention.She was very popular with woman voters, hence my gut feeling she'd be more capable than, say, Sturgeon who's less popular, in bringing no/undecideds to yes.