Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

So it's not in the white paper after all

I know you are all sure he said it somewhere so if that is the case why is he still being so arrogant about using the pound? And I agree if there is a yes there wl be a deal in ace for a union BUT that's not on the cards right now.

Nothing is on the cards just now.I say nukes will need to be removed,someone on here comes along and tells me no, they'll stay exactly where they are.Barosso says its impossible for Scotland to join the EU,can anyone show me the how thats correct?

He can't say anything else now as he'd look weak for backing down...he's not played it particularily well, but he's not played a few things that well imo.

 

[CMAC]

Aug 25th BBC.


We had a family get together on Saturday and after our meal there was an interesting debate.
Voices were occasionally raised but we remained polite at all times.

Main issues of disagreement were
Health
Finance
Negativity/ Lies of the naesayers.

Areas of Agreement were

We can afford to be independant if we want to.
England is turning to the right and will continue to do so. We don't want Tory/UKIP leadership.

Results were
SIL Undecided
Daughter 1 Yes
Daughter 2 Nae
Wife Yes
Oldest Grandchild [12] Nae
Me still Undecided.

So by my family debate and poll it will be a draw.

Thanks for the date.

Lies of the NO campaign- please.

I believe the population of Scotland is representative of the population of Yorkshire. Can you see Yorkshire being capable of self sustained independence with the wealth they have within.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I believe the population of Scotland is representative of the population of Yorkshire. Can you see Yorkshire being capable of self sustained independence with the wealth they have within.

Of course I can.
Exports of Wendleydale cheese alone would keep them solvent.

 

[Old Skier]

Lies of the NO campaign- please.

If yes says it's so then it's so. Will you never learn. Thankfully they won't be able to say its so for much longer.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So we are going to drive on the right then, 'jokingly' said by Andy Burnham.

 

[Val]

So we are going to drive on the right then, 'jokingly' said by Andy Burnham.

Aye he said that off the cuff months ago but for some reason the YES campaign are holding on to this like it's a negative. Get real.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I recently heard that Boris wanted to know if Claire Ridge was a good looking girl.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

If anyone with an interest in all this missed Andrew Neils programme on BBC2 last night, it should be available on the iPlayer, was pretty good viewing.

 

[FairwayDodger]

If anyone with an interest in all this missed Andrew Neils programme on BBC2 last night, it should be available on the iPlayer, was pretty good viewing.

I watched the "debate" from Inverness beforehand, which was hugely depressing for a variety of reasons, but kept watching Andrew Neil's programme. Very interesting indeed, lots of consequences for rUK in the event of a yes vote.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If anyone with an interest in all this missed Andrew Neils programme on BBC2 last night, it should be available on the iPlayer, was pretty good viewing.

I generally cannot stand Andrew Neil but that was a superb programme.
Farage was shown up for the sham that he is. Changing the name of UKIP to Little England
I would say that if you live in England make sure you watch it on iplayer....it open your eyes and mind.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Neat announcement by Michael Fallon - 3 new warships to be build on the Clyde securing 800 jobs. Adding that UK warships are only built in the UK. No comment from MoD about decision in event of a YES.

Noting that I am not clear why our new warships can only be built in the UK when it is OK to buy our new warplanes for the carriers (the F-35) from the US - at a cost of £2.5 billion (at a neat £70m each) for initial order increasing to £6.2 billion.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Neat announcement by Michael Fallon - 3 new warships to be build on the Clyde securing 800 jobs. Adding that UK warships are only built in the UK. No comment from MoD about decision in event of a YES.

Noting that I am not clear why our new warships can only be built in the UK when it is OK to buy our new warplanes for the carriers (the F-35) from the US - at a cost of £2.5 billion (at a neat £70m each) for initial order increasing to £6.2 billion.

You do realise that the F35 or JSF is a joint venture with the US , NATO and other countries so we won't be buying an aircraft from the US as such.

 

[Imurg]

, lots of consequences for rUK in the event of a yes vote.

Which annoys/saddens/worries me a tad.
I have no beef with the Scots, if they want to go it alone then that's their choice.
But if there are to be consequences that will affect my standard of living, my Country, my ability to put food on the table etc and I have no say in the matter, I find that a bit harsh on me.
I haven't watched the prog yet so don't know what these consequences are yet....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You do realise that the F35 or JSF is a joint venture with the US , NATO and other countries so we won't be buying an aircraft from the US as such.

OK - but UK is not really building them - BAE Systems design and supply some components but it is a primarily a US aircraft.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Which annoys/saddens/worries me a tad.
I have no beef with the Scots, if they want to go it alone then that's their choice.
But if there are to be consequences that will affect my standard of living, my Country, my ability to put food on the table etc and I have no say in the matter, I find that a bit harsh on me.
I haven't watched the prog yet so don't know what these consequences are yet....

Quite a piece at the start of it with UK politicians in denial about Trident and not actually believing that a Scottish Government would actually rid Scotland of Trident - and Jack Straw for one adamant that UK would still have Trident after a YES - somehow. A bit like the currency debate but the other way around.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK - but UK is not really building them - BAE Systems design and supply some components but it is a primarily a US aircraft.

It's an aircraft funded by a joint partnership from NATO countries and built by the people who put in the best bids - regardless of where the company is based it is still a joint partnership.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So iof it is built by the people with the best bids why would it be that BAE Systems would not be able to build the 3 warships in an independant Scotland if that is what they wished to do.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So iof it is built by the people with the best bids why would it be that BAE Systems would not be able to build the 3 warships in an independant Scotland if that is what they wished to do.

I'm guessing because it's a UK ship that is being built for the UK so they would like it to stay within the UK

The relevance to the JSF is zero.

 

[Old Skier]

OK - but UK is not really building them - BAE Systems design and supply some components but it is a primarily a US aircraft.

Which bit of joint doesn't fit this statement.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I have to concede I'm thrown a wee bit by that.I know I've read the options I mentioned above somewhere, and I know it's from The Fiscal Commission, but I've just had a look and can't find it anywhere.

I've checked here> http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0042/00423466.pdf
and here http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0041/00414291.pdf but no direct reference to the options I offer are made directly, which has me very confused.Very confused indeed.

But they are the options open to Scotland.Personally, I'd be keen on a new Scottish Currency.

Bingo.I knew I had heard him talk about this.This is more recent than I was referring to, but the thrust is exactly the same.

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