Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 18588]

After you have explained why you think there will be a run on the Scottish banks.
BTW I don't think there are any Scottish [or English] banks......they are all international now.

I was not aware that I had suggested there would be a run on Scottish, or any other, banks.

As you say banks are largely international these days and some effectively have HQ's in more than one country.

BTW like the kid in the HSBC advert I'm happy to accept anyone's banknotes but, like you, I have had problems using Scottish notes round here when I have returned from Scotland. Bloody annoying for a pro-union man like myself!

 

[SocketRocket]

you both have never obviously tried buying anything in Be'f'nal Green
you're lucky if they don't attack you for trying to pass off foreign currency.

People around here look at you as if you are giving them a dead puppy!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well it is real now....poll cards just dropped through the letterbox.

All starting to crank up around here, big banners in fields, posters, flags etc

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm currently reading Neil Ascherson's Stone Voices: The Search for Scotland Pub 2003). Ain interesting look at what made Scotland - with his insights into the Scottish psych in respect of devolution and independence - before and after the 1979 and 1997 referendum. One thought on the 1979 referendum was that Scots were simply feart (notwithstanding the 40% rule) - and the 1997 referendum was (rather obviously) so strongly influenced by 18yrs of Conservative Westminster government and the affinity (or lack of it) that Scots felt towards the governments of those 18yrs.

Reading it I get a bit of a sinking feeling that in the event of a NO (Which I think is likely) Scotland and Scots will never feel the same again about their country. For a start they can forget singing stuff like Scots Wha Hae and Flower of Scotland - maybe no bad thing for the latter given how it is murdered these days.

But so much of the Scottish identity seems to me to be tied up with a distinct feeling that we are a little bit different and could and can do things our own way and better given the chance. Well the chance is being presented and it will be rejected.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That would explain the English woman on the Andrew Neil programme saying 'The Scots, they are welcome to it, well they are not really like us are they.
I wondered who 'us' were?

 

[SocketRocket]

That would explain the English woman on the Andrew Neil programme saying 'The Scots, they are welcome to it, well they are not really like us are they.
I wondered who 'us' were?

Rukers

 

[Old Skier]

and could and can do things our own way and better given the chance.

I presume you mean those Scots that remained in Scotland and not the Anglo Scots that seemed to inhabit the south and the west of England in ever increasing numbers.

Would a yes vote stop the exodus as they (according to your statement) can do everything better when someone gives them a chance so iscot would obviously be the place to be.

posted in this way to stop me getting a slapped wrist.

 

[Old Skier]

I presume SLH has deleted his post and gone back up north.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Australian PM Tony Abbot in strange statement about Scottish Independence.

Something about a bad day for justice and freedom.........really.

We have our own justice system and we wish to have our freedom.... like Australia
He [or his wife] must be after a knighthood.

 

[Old Skier]

'Twas a very strange statement which did nobody any favours.

 

[SocketRocket]

Australian PM Tony Abbot in strange statement about Scottish Independence.

Something about a bad day for justice and freedom.........really.

We have our own justice system and we wish to have our freedom.... like Australia
He [or his wife] must be after a knighthood.

We don't have freedom anymore. We have a dictatorship ruled by High Court Judges that make up Laws for us.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Back in May Danny Alexander tells the voters of Scotland NO means £1400 better off by 2015-16

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/...after-no-vote-says-danny-alexander.1401273125

Today I read of a poll that surveys attitudes of voters in England towards Scotland following a NO and we discover that they would want a cut to Scottish annual public spending of almost £1,400 per person a year.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ill-pay-a-heavy-price-for-referendum.25092377

Perhaps coincidental that the figures are the same - but the views of voters south of the Border if Scotland says NO comes as no surprise to me at all.

Seems to me that the Westminster politicians really need to think about what the 'south of border' public will be demanding of a NO Scotland and come up with some reassurances.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Back in May Danny Alexander tells the voters of Scotland NO means £1400 better off by 2015-16

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/...after-no-vote-says-danny-alexander.1401273125

Today I read of a poll that surveys attitudes of voters in England towards Scotland following a NO and we discover that they would want a cut to Scottish annual public spending of almost £1,400 per person a year.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ill-pay-a-heavy-price-for-referendum.25092377

Perhaps coincidental that the figures are the same - but the views of voters south of the Border if Scotland says NO comes as no surprise to me at all.

Seems to me that the Westminster politicians really need to think about what the 'south of border' public will be demanding of a NO Scotland and come up with some reassurances.

From a Scottish newspaper. Let me guess, the Herald is also pro Yes? Can't say I have come across this opinion much "down here". Westminster probably have more important issues than "reassuring" about something that may or may not happen.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I won't be demanding anything after a NO vote - I will be happy that the UK will still be as one

Why would I demand more money ?

Seems a lot of spin from people desperate for a yes vote

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

From a Scottish newspaper. Let me guess, the Herald is also pro Yes? Can't say I have come across this opinion much "down here". Westminster probably have more important issues than "reassuring" about something that may or may not happen.

Future of England Survey 2014 - see also Guardian today

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/20/scottish-independence-referendum-english-attitudes

The Herald has not yet stated it's position. The Sunday Herald (separate newspaper) is YES

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I won't be demanding anything after a NO vote - I will be happy that the UK will still be as one

Why would I demand more money ?

Seems a lot of spin from people desperate for a yes vote

It's got nothing to do with the YES campaign. See Leader in today's Scotsman (most probably a NO). Scots to be punished for flirting with independence??

http://www.scotsman.com/news/leader-comment-english-opinion-on-independence-1-3514693

The same survey says that the vast majority of voters south of the border want Scotland to stay in the UK, but that if it goes it's own way then it should be on it's own.

I was a bit surprised that the majority in the survey would not want rUK/Westminster to support a Scotland application to join the EU or NATO. Not whether they think Scotland would get in - but that they don't seem to WANT Scotland in the EU or NATO. Even although with the latter Scotland is talked of by BT as if it is a cornerstone of NATO. If you want Scotland in the EU and/or NATO you'd surely want your politicians to support any applications.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's got nothing to do with the YES campaign. See Leader in today's Scotsman (most probably a NO). Scots to be punished for flirting with independence??

http://www.scotsman.com/news/leader-comment-english-opinion-on-independence-1-3514693

The same survey says that the vast majority of voters south of the border want Scotland to stay in the UK, but that if it goes it's own way then it should be on it's own.

I was a bit surprised that the majority in the survey would not want rUK/Westminster to support a Scotland application to join the EU or NATO. Not whether they think Scotland would get in - but that they don't seem to WANT Scotland in the EU or NATO. Even although with the latter Scotland is talked of by BT as if it is a cornerstone of NATO. If you want Scotland in the EU and/or NATO you'd surely want your politicians to support any applications.

If Scotland want independence then have it without the need of the support of the rest of the nations they have decided to leave

It appears it's not really independence is it - it's taking bits to do on their own but wanting help with other bits.

 

[Val]

Back in May Danny Alexander tells the voters of Scotland NO means £1400 better off by 2015-16

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/...after-no-vote-says-danny-alexander.1401273125

Today I read of a poll that surveys attitudes of voters in England towards Scotland following a NO and we discover that they would want a cut to Scottish annual public spending of almost £1,400 per person a year.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ill-pay-a-heavy-price-for-referendum.25092377

Perhaps coincidental that the figures are the same - but the views of voters south of the Border if Scotland says NO comes as no surprise to me at all.

Seems to me that the Westminster politicians really need to think about what the 'south of border' public will be demanding of a NO Scotland and come up with some reassurances.

Did you get asked by an official poll about this? If not then do you know anyone who has been asked by an official poll? And again if not, what sort of credibility does the poll have if it states it's findings as " four to one - 56 per cent as opposed to 12 per cent"

And again I'd argue four to one dramatises the figure when in reality it's not even close as it's 56 people in every 100 that allegedly think this with 12 people saying no and by assumption the remain 32 people don't know or don't care.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

From a Scottish newspaper. Let me guess, the Herald is also pro Yes? Can't say I have come across this opinion much "down here". Westminster probably have more important issues than "reassuring" about something that may or may not happen.

The Herald is not pro yes.The Sunday Herald is.They have separate editorial positions and that's been made very clear.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I'm off to listen to George Galloway tonight (Porty Town Hall for those in the area)