Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

A close vote could cause quite a few problems - especially if it's a hundred either vote

Does that really show a clear mandate to move forward ?

 

[Old Skier]

A close vote could cause quite a few problems - especially if it's a hundred either vote

Does that really show a clear mandate to move forward ?

Those are the rules. Laid down and agreed.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

A close vote could cause quite a few problems - especially if it's a hundred either vote

Does that really show a clear mandate to move forward ?

Personally can't forsee issues, whether either side wins.

 

[Old Skier]

Personally can't forsee issues, whether either side wins.

Didn't in Wales so here's hoping.

 

[Val]

Is anyone in Scotland fearful of a very close vote..?
And I mean close - 50.5 - 49.5 say...
Although a majority, it could be said that if the wind was blowing the other direction the vote could have gone the other way.
Could this lead to conflict between the 2 sides..?
Wouldn't it be more prudent to require a larger majority than just a majority to force through what is, after all, monumental change.?

It wont be as close, I said before that I reckoned it would be minimum 60% no.

 

[Foxholer]

A close vote could cause quite a few problems - especially if it's a hundred either vote

Does that really show a clear mandate to move forward ?

How many points does a PL side get is they win 6-5 - with a goal in the last seconds! Especially when they have only had 40% Possession or other stats!

 

[FairwayDodger]

I have no problems with the 16 year olds being allowed to vote, for many voters it is their children's future that is highest on the agenda.
I have also never heard a word of protest about allowing 16 year olds the vote.
Not really sure what you are implying by saying that they are not capable of making a decision.

I too have no problem with it but allowing them to vote in the referendum and not in other elections is a tad cynical and smacks of gerrymandering. Seems to have backfired though as it appears the majority of these new voters are against independence.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

It wont be as close, I said before that I reckoned it would be minimum 60% no.

As I've said before, that would require every single undecided voting No, plus some current yes voters.That aint gonna happen.

I too have no problem with it but allowing them to vote in the referendum and not in other elections is a tad cynical and smacks of gerrymandering. Seems to have backfired though as it appears the majority of these new voters are against independence.

But if Yes wins 16 will become th enew voting age in any election, plus its being looked at by westminster now too.Yet again,Holyrood leads the way.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As I've said before, that would require every single undecided voting No, plus some current yes voters.That aint gonna happen.



But if Yes wins 16 will become th enew voting age in any election, plus its being looked at by westminster now too.Yet again,Holyrood leads the way.

Again - you don't know what will happen as not one single vote has been cast

So far there are no yes votes or no votes.

 

[StuartD]

As I've said before, that would require every single undecided voting No, plus some current yes voters.That aint gonna happen.

Based on a sample polls. This would only be fact if the samples taken reflect the view of the country as a whole. If polls were fact Kinnock would have been PM.

I still think that a YES is a braver vote and some might back away nearer the time.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Based on a sample polls. This would only be fact if the samples taken reflect the view of the country as a whole. If polls were fact Kinnock would have been PM.

I still think that a YES is a braver vote and some might back away nearer the time.

So if the polls are incorrect, as they were prior to the last national Scottish elections, I expect they'll be incorrect in the same way this time.I just think alot of people are miscalculating the mood of joe bloggs, as Carmichael,McLeish,Darling and Alexander have all hinted at in the last week.

 

[Old Skier]

Polls, who has ever done one on elections or politics! With all this polls going on through the years I would have thought someone might have asked me at least once. Now would I be tempted to give a complete opposite answer to the way I might vote. Probably.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But some crafty Labour politician managed to attach a rule meaning 40%+ of the electorate had to vote to make it valid.

Was it not that 40% of the total electorate had to vote YES - and so abstentions counted as NO - and even deceased who were still on the electoral register counted as NO.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Was it not that 40% of the total electorate had to vote YES - and so abstentions counted as NO - and even deceased who were still on the electoral register counted as NO.

Apologies, aye.An errant yes does change that sentence quite alot.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Polls, who has ever done one on elections or politics! With all this polls going on through the years I would have thought someone might have asked me at least once. Now would I be tempted to give a complete opposite answer to the way I might vote. Probably.

Not forgetting the nice wee polite folk who say 'of course I'm voting for you' to everyone.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I appreciate it's anecdotal and we all move in different spheres etc but I honestly know only a handful of people planning to vote "yes" and vastly more saying they're "no". I was out last night with four friends I hadn't previously discussed it with - all are voting "no".

Based purely on my own circle, therefore, it's going to be a landslide for "no". Obviously it's not that simple but that's why I just can't recognise claims that "yes" will win, or even that it'll be close.

 

[Val]

So if the polls are incorrect, as they were prior to the last national Scottish elections, I expect they'll be incorrect in the same way this time.I just think alot of people are miscalculating the mood of joe bloggs, as Carmichael,McLeish,Darling and Alexander have all hinted at in the last week.

I think you are over miscalculating the YES campaign success personally.

 

[Val]

I appreciate it's anecdotal and we all move in different spheres etc but I honestly know only a handful of people planning to vote "yes" and vastly more saying they're "no". I was out last night with four friends I hadn't previously discussed it with - all are voting "no".

Based purely on my own circle, therefore, it's going to be a landslide for "no". Obviously it's not that simple but that's why I just can't recognise claims that "yes" will win, or even that it'll be close.

I said the same thing weeks ago, I know very few people who will vote yes, Adi2D says he knows a few who will vote NO.

I really can't see it anything other than a no.

As for opinion votes, if you take a small percentage of people and ask them a question you cannot make representation of that be the thought of the overall total, that's why these polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

No official has asked my opinion

 

[Val]

Can I ask has anyone noticed the bullying tactics of the YES campaign after Barrhead travel showed their hand last week? Talk of boycotts etc.

No wonder other major businesses are holding off

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Can I ask has anyone noticed the bullying tactics of the YES campaign after Barrhead travel showed their hand last week? Talk of boycotts etc.

No wonder other major businesses are holding off

As I said previously, I know Munro reasonably well given the trade and I'd never dream of doing what he did with my (smaller) firm.And I'd not use the language he used for sure, which is where the issue lies for nats.
And folk have the right to boycott any company for any reason, the beauty of free market economy.