Scotland Debate

[Foxholer]

But does that tolerance always extend to the indigenous peoples?

Certainly plenty of instances of intolerance - in our family even!

Apart from my oldest Uncle carrying on Granny's Orange Society bigotry, my youngest Uncle (of 13 kids, 11 of whom survived) was a racist of the highest order! Granny was a bit of a star though, pretty much single-handedly providing the Plunket Society (pre and post Natal care) with the role model and testimonials in her province! a classic forthright Scotswoman who never lost her accent!

I can remember calling in on him on our honeymoon, after he'd just returned from a quad bypass to hear him announce that as a 'darkie' had bought a place 3/4 of a mile down the road, it was time to sell up and move and he did - for a healthy profit of course! Gordon Strachan demeanour reminds me of Roy, but Strachan is a wimp in comparison!

Overall, Kiwis are fairly tolerant. There was some obvious negative reaction from vested interests when the Waitangi Tribunal was set up in 1975, but the 'fairness' of both the Treaty and the Tribunal tended to smooth acceptance. This is in contrast to the tactics of some of the original settlers! I left in 1988, so little personal knowledge of what it's like in the areas of more densely Maori population now. Christchurch, and most of the South Island had few Maoris compared to the North.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Overall, Kiwis are fairly tolerant. There was some obvious negative reaction from vested interests when the Waitangi Tribunal was set up in 1975, but the 'fairness' of both the Treaty and the Tribunal tended to smooth acceptance. This is in contrast to the tactics of some of the original settlers! I left in 1988, so little personal knowledge of what it's like in the areas of more densely Maori population now. Christchurch, and most of the South Island had few Maoris compared to the North.

Sounds and appears to be a happier situation than in your "noisy neighbour" country.

The relative you mention could exist in any number of countries including UK. It should not be an excuse but it is often a generational thing, and I say that as a soon to be OAP.

 

[Foxholer]

Sounds and appears to be a happier situation than in your "noisy neighbour" country.

The relative you mention could exist in any number of countries including UK. It should not be an excuse but it is often a generational thing, and I say that as a soon to be OAP.

Indeed the Oz attitude to Aborigines has been pretty obscene - almost reflecting that of the first settlers in NZ. Remember the Midnight Oil song 'Beds are Burning'? The Lead Singer (Peter Garrett) eventually became a Aus Cabinet Minister - several times! However, while the Maori culture isn't vastly different from the 'Western' one, the Aboriginal one is hugely different - sort of equivalent to the African Bushman one.

Roy was distinctly outlandish. There are several stories of his behaviour I could bore anyone with! Flew Hurricanes in WWII - from age 16!

 

[Old Skier]

Unless you're of an age to have fought in WWI or WWII, I seriously doubt you've fought in any war in my name, whether it was Falklands,Iraq,Afghanistan.So whilst I commend your bravery and admire your desire to serve queen and country, please don't think you had an obligation to fight any of those wars,legal or not, in my name.If you take offense to that, so be it, but that's a fact and I know i'm not .

I have only mentioned firefighting, rubbish collection and burying your dead, where did all the rubbish about fighting wars in your name come from. Your selective reading gets better everyday. As to the tyranny of Westminister, I'm not sure what or where you got that from. You really are turning out to be a right little tinker arnt you. Mind you the Yes campaign do seem to love making it up as they go along.

 

[Old Skier]

Nice cop out. Thanks.:thup:

Not sure where the cope out is but as your too idle to check anything I can only assume your an idle student.

 

[Old Skier]

I know Bill Munro well, I know his thoughts and have debated this with him.I respect his decision to air his views...I'd never think about doing the same for my firm, but he's made his choice and he'll stand behind it.How it works out for him, I'm not sure, but I refuse to make any kind of commercial gain from this episode.Personally, I think he's made a big mistake and have told him so today...the nationalists are significantly more vocal and 'partisan' than the unionsists

I presume this partisan bit is about the threats that have been made to his business and staff. True Republicans the Yes people by the sound of it.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I presume this partisan bit is about the threats that have been made to his business and staff. True Republicans the Yes people by the sound of it.

I've not read any threats to his staff and the only threats to his business are ones threatening not to use his company again, but I'll happily stand corrected if you can show me otherwise?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why are they threatening companies ?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Order Order

Come on guys, keep it on track, thread has nothing to do with Ireland

Thanks

 

[Old Skier]

I've not read any threats to his staff and the only threats to his business are ones threatening not to use his company again, but I'll happily stand corrected if you can show me otherwise?

will try and find it, it was on FB and from the Better Together campaign so it could well have been all lies.

 

[Old Skier]

I've not read any threats to his staff and the only threats to his business are ones threatening not to use his company again, but I'll happily stand corrected if you can show me otherwise?

Apologise there was nothing about threats to staff now perhaps we can be grown up and you can do the same over a couple of your post where unfounded allegations have been made.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Apologise there was nothing about threats to staff now perhaps we can be grown up and you can do the same over a couple of your post where unfounded allegations have been made.

OK, show me what you want me to apologise for and if I can't provide reasonable evidence I'll apologise.

 

[Old Skier]

OK, show me what you want me to apologise for and if I can't provide reasonable evidence I'll apologise.

PM sent

 

[Old Skier]

if I can't provide reasonable evidence I'll apologise.

And we wait with baited breath

 

[Adi2Dassler]

And we wait with baited breath

You asked,via pm, for me to get back into the NI aspect of this thread,I gave you a two word reply that I felt made my position pretty clear then told you I didn't want to exchange any more pms.
We've been asked to not discuss that topic on this thread, I've previously said I don't want to discuss that topic, especially on this thread so I'll stick to my word.

You're obviously ex-military and have a point of view that you want to defend, which is fine, but I'll not be the catalyst for your soap boxing.So again, I'll not be discussing that topic on this thread, or any other thread.

 

[Old Skier]

You're obviously ex-military and have a point of view that you want to defend, which is fine, but I'll not be the catalyst for your soap boxing.So again, I'll not be discussing that topic on this thread, or any other thread.

I don't do soap box's and I asked you in a PM (hint is in the P) to prove the remarks you made which you are unable to do. It is unfortunate that you can make accusations without any proof and the mods here let you get away with it. But hey ho that seems to be the way of the mods here and I will accept it.

 

[chris661]

I don't do soap box's and I asked you in a PM (hint is in the P) to prove the remarks you made which you are unable to do. It is unfortunate that you can make accusations without any proof and the mods here let you get away with it. But hey ho that seems to be the way of the mods here and I will accept it.

Get off your high horse mate. We are not here to police every post on every thread as to whether it can be verified.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Looks like iScotland may be able make a killing by selling cans of fresh air to the South of England

 

[Old Skier]

Get off your high horse mate. We are not here to police every post on every thread as to whether it can be verified.

:whoo:

 

[MadAdey]

I don't do soap box's and I asked you in a PM (hint is in the P) to prove the remarks you made which you are unable to do. It is unfortunate that you can make accusations without any proof and the mods here let you get away with it. But hey ho that seems to be the way of the mods here and I will accept it.

Have you not noticed that Adi2Dassler is just out to get reactions from people. Any other thread I see him pop up on he is trying to wind people up. Do not argue with him, just leave him to his own sad little world.