Scotland Debate

[Foxholer]

An example?

Yugoslavia 1945 is the obvious one that I have knowledge of - through Dad being there!

Think there were some shady dealings (also known as Commercial Diplomacy) in Arabia, Africa, India at various times too

 

[stevie_r]

Yugoslavia 1945 is the obvious one that I have knowledge of - through Dad being there!

Think there were some shady dealings (also known as Commercial Diplomacy) in Arabia, Africa, India at various times too

You are aware that 1945 was a long time ago and operation Banner wasn't? The obvious point that you have chosen to ignore is that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom.

 

[Foxholer]

You are aware that 1945 was a long time ago and operation Banner wasn't? The obvious point that you have chosen to ignore is that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom.

Simply answered your question. Nothing more nor less. Though 1969 was quite a while ago. I've no real idea, but would think most on here weren't born then!

Now, back to Scotland!

 

[stevie_r]

Simply answered your question. Nothing more nor less. Though 1969 was quite a while ago. I've no real idea, but would think most on here weren't born then!

Now, back to Scotland!

No you didn't, not really. Your comment at #1518 was both disgusting and ridiculous. I am fairly sure that had sectarian based slaughter been taking place where you lived/ live, then you wouldn't be taking the view that they should have been left to get on with it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see this morning The Guardian have a piece about traffic in iScotland driving on the right,

 

[stevie_r]

I see this morning The Guardian have a piece about traffic in iScotland driving on the right,

mmmm, can't find my calendar, what's the date again?

 

[StuartD]

I see this morning The Guardian have a piece about traffic in iScotland driving on the right,

and todays date is?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I see this morning The Guardian have a piece about traffic in iScotland driving on the right,

:rofl:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

They show a snazzy type of roundabout where you enter driving on the left and exit driving on the right.
Impressive bit of engineering.

 

[ger147]

I see this morning The Guardian have a piece about traffic in iScotland driving on the right,

The BBC website are saying Liverpool are top of the league!! Not falling for that one...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They show a snazzy type of roundabout where you enter driving on the left and exit driving on the right.
Impressive bit of engineering.

:rofl:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

What is your stance on the longest operational deployment by the British Army, attempting to prevent two communities of UK citizens from slaughtering each other?

If two communities did want to slaughter each other you may have a point, but from my experience, two communities are caught up in a horrific war played out by fanatics on both sides,acts of brutality from both terrorist organisations, along with acts of brutality from the British army and RUC too.all the while the majority of folk just want to lead a normal life surrounded by chaos.

So I've answered and I won't again, NI is improving every day/week/year as the communities win , and if you're trying to draw a comparison between the troubles and iScotland,please don't.

 

[stevie_r]

If two communities did want to slaughter each other you may have a point, but from my experience, two communities are caught up in a horrific war played out by fanatics on both sides,acts of brutality from both terrorist organisations, along with acts of brutality from the British army and RUC too.all the while the majority of folk just want to lead a normal life surrounded by chaos.

So I've answered and I won't again, NI is improving every day/week/year as the communities win , and if you're trying to draw a comparison between the troubles and iScotland,please don't.

In your experience? When and for how long did you live in NI.

You may wish to keep an eye on the news in order to be better informed, dissident Republican activity is massively on the rise, in the last year Army bomb disposal has been deployed to 392 separate incidents. Incidents of cross-community intimidation and violence are all to frequent, rather strangely it doesn't make the national news that much

 

[Foxholer]

No you didn't, not really. Your comment at #1518 was both disgusting and ridiculous. I am fairly sure that had sectarian based slaughter been taking place where you lived/ live, then you wouldn't be taking the view that they should have been left to get on with it.

You must have had a different question in mind to the one you wrote down then!

You are making completely wrong assumptions about what I think! Sectarian based slaughter is the disgusting and ridiculous thing imo. I should hope that's something we can agree on!

Btw. I believe Operation Banner was a success and the Military were magnificent, as they normally are - but with the odd catastrophic blip, also as normal! It was the politicians that were, and quite possibly still are, the real barriers to peace! Oh and the thugs and criminals working within both sects for their own benefit.

Fortunately, I come from a place where, in spite of a significant Scottish ancestry and 'forced' economic migration, there is considerably more tolerance of different views, so extreme sectarianism is rarely seen - in site of my Grandmother's presidency of her County Orange Society!

And, to get back to the Scotland debate...it has a similar population and economy (also somewhat unbalanced, but to an Agricultural bias rather than a Financial Services one), its own currency and is Nuclear free. So there is no doubt in my mind that an independent Scotland would flourish - if those that can vote decide 'Yes'. The only barrier would be the transition, something that, to me, is the area where the No/BT advocates need to (continue to) attack them on, as it's the area most voters see as the most troublesome - even though, from a history/vision perspective it's only an instant!

They show a snazzy type of roundabout where you enter driving on the left and exit driving on the right.
Impressive bit of engineering.

I tried that in Italy once - at the end of a long straight at the end of a long day! It was only the flashing lights of the oncoming driver that that made me realise roundabouts 'work' anti-clockwise in the rest of Europe!

 

[stevie_r]

and if you're trying to draw a comparison between the troubles and iScotland,please don't.

I didn't and I am not, I'll refer you back to your post #1511, when you are capable of conducting a 'joined up' argument or debate then feel free to continue.

 

[stevie_r]

And, to get back to the Scotland debate...it has a similar population and economy (also somewhat unbalanced, but to an Agricultural bias rather than a Financial Services one), its own currency and is Nuclear free. So there is no doubt in my mind that an independent Scotland would flourish - if those that can vote decide 'Yes'. The only barrier would be the transition, something that, to me, is the area where the No/BT advocates need to (continue to) attack them on, as it's the area most voters see as the most troublesome - even though, from a history/vision perspective it's only an instant!

Sorry, which country are you comparing to Scotland here?

 

[Foxholer]

Sorry, which country are you comparing to Scotland here?

Why does it matter? Are you so insular that you can't work it out?

And I forgot to include - it has an AA/AA+ rating from S&P

And it's not a case of comparison; just a demonstration that one that size does work.

..... I'll refer you back to your post #1511, when you are capable of conducting a 'joined up' argument or debate then feel free to continue.

Seems to me that was/is an entirely reasonable point of view!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Unless you're of an age to have fought in WWI or WWII, I seriously doubt you've fought in any war in my name, whether it was Falklands,Iraq,Afghanistan.So whilst I commend your bravery and admire your desire to serve queen and country, please don't think you had an obligation to fight any of those wars,legal or not, in my name.If you take offense to that, so be it, but that's a fact and I know i'm not alone.

And you may well be pissed off with Westminster, you may well want to remove yourself from their tyranny, but you can't and we can.

And the answer is self determination, the ability to be accountable, to be represented correctly internationally, to be held accountable for decisions and choices we make that reflect our country and out citizens.

I didn't and I am not, I'll refer you back to your post #1511, when you are capable of conducting a 'joined up' argument or debate then feel free to continue.

I'm not sure I follow, but it doesn't matter.I'm interested in Scottish independence, not the historical past of the British Army.And as much as my heart goes out to the silent majority in NI who have suffered at the hands of terrorist organisations,RUC or British army, this isn't the point of this thread, and if truth be told, if there was a separate thread about that topic, I doubt I'd get involved as there are too many service men on this board who for their own reasons would defend the reasons why there are troops in NI, and too many Irish folk on this board who would do the opposite.

So crack on and have the last word with me on this, I'll not reply to anything related to British soldiers in NI or NI in general.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Fortunately, I come from a place where, in spite of a significant Scottish ancestry and 'forced' economic migration, there is considerably more tolerance of different views, so extreme sectarianism is rarely seen - in site of my Grandmother's presidency of her County Orange Society!

But does that tolerance always extend to the indigenous peoples?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So Alistair Darling said yesterday,

The rest of the UK must have a say over a sterling zone with an independent Scotland

I thought it had been completely 'ruled-out' by Osborne, Cameroon and the rest?