Scotland Debate

[CMAC]

Yes, I can just see the EU throwing out it's richest oil producing country, that makes a lot of sense.

We had Sturgeon going head to head with Lamount on an STV debate tonight.

Absolutely awful, they should both hang their heads in shame.
Both talking over each other like a couple of demented fishwifes.
Nothing to report as I could not hear a word either were saying.

couldnt agree more- embarrassing unprofessional shouting match. What on earth was the debate chairwoman doing? whispering "one at a time please" was the best she could muster.

Is this how the govt would be run with a yes vote? These are 2 of the most senior people in Scottish politics which is frightening for our future.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Yup, utterly woeful display from all concerned...however...Scotland isn't genetically programmed to make political decisions.

 

[Val]

Last nights debate was nothing more than a rabble, how 2 political journalists could pick their way through what was said and decide who came out better is beyond me. All I could see for it was that Joann Lamont was not bullied like the others who stood toe to toe with Nicola Sturgeon, who did her best to shout down Joann Lamont and every opportunity.

Shocking, we know nothing today that we didn't know yesterday.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The journalists were nearly as embarrassing as the alleged politicians.

We deserve better.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think the EU would welcome Scotland with open arms. They are in dire need of more countries where they can bleed money to support their basket case economies.

Also, if Scotland feel the UK restricts their freedom of self determination then they aint seen notthin yet! Wait until Brussels get involved directly with a small new member!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well for starters I am pretty confident that we would negotiate better fishing and hill farming deals than the one Wasteminster hands to us.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Also, if Scotland feel the UK restricts their freedom of self determination then they aint seen notthin yet! Wait until Brussels get involved directly with a small new member!!

Just to make you aware, as a current members we're already aware of how The EU works and what we'd be getting involved with,but thanks for giving us the inside perspective.And I'm not sure the size of the nation actually makes much difference, unless your insight can tell me otherwise?..is there a sliding scale of involvement based on some kind of formula we've been kept away from?

 

[CMAC]

So Now Standard Life step up to the plate and are putting in contingency plans to move to England if Scotland vote for Independence. They have been here 189 years. Does Alex Salmond not get it? Mr Salmond said he knows of numerous large companies that want separation....but he cant name them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26362321

 

[SocketRocket]

Just to make you aware, as a current members we're already aware of how The EU works and what we'd be getting involved with,but thanks for giving us the inside perspective.And I'm not sure the size of the nation actually makes much difference, unless your insight can tell me otherwise?..is there a sliding scale of involvement based on some kind of formula we've been kept away from?

Yes there are for new members. They have to join the Euro Zone to start with. There is also a sliding scale on voting weight based on population.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Yes there are for new members. They have to join the Euro Zone to start with. There is also a sliding scale on voting weight based on population.

No you don't.If we intend to discuss various aspects of Scottish independence, lets do it based on fact.you have to commit to join the euro when you meet certain financial criteria, and the decision when you meet that criteria is decided by each individual country, so we may to never meet that criteria.

As sliding scale on voting based on population?do you mean the population of a country = how many mep's they have?Well, we'd have the same representation today as we'd have post yes.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So Now Standard Life step up to the plate and are putting in contingency plans to move to England if Scotland vote for Independence. They have been here 189 years. Does Alex Salmond not get it? Mr Salmond said he knows of numerous large companies that want separation....but he cant name them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26362321

For accuracy, lets use Standard Deaths actual statement instead of yet another unionists slate.

http://www.standardlife.com/utility/customer_statement.html

they also said they'd leave post-devolution btw.Still here, will be next year too.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

S&P statement on iScotland

http://now.eloqua.com/es.asp?s=302554905&e=185058&elq=200eab27ace14d7fa063a7856c6dec8b

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For accuracy, lets use Standard Deaths actual statement instead of yet another unionists slate.

http://www.standardlife.com/utility/customer_statement.html

they also said they'd leave post-devolution btw.Still here, will be next year too.

I heard - though whether implied from the statement or taken from a briefing on the statement or fuller statement I don't know - was that key considerations for Standard Life would be around taxation and currency. What I might draw from that would be that SL would prefer taxation in an iScotland to not be to the detriment of their customers, and that they would also prefer a common currency with the rUK.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

S&P statement on iScotland

http://now.eloqua.com/es.asp?s=302554905&e=185058&elq=200eab27ace14d7fa063a7856c6dec8b

Ach - what do they know about economics...

 

[FairwayDodger]

S&P statement on iScotland

http://now.eloqua.com/es.asp?s=302554905&e=185058&elq=200eab27ace14d7fa063a7856c6dec8b

Quite a balanced assessment, unfortunately one that will undoubtedly be spun both ways.

Interesting (to my untrained eye) they think we'd be better off if the banks left!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Quite a balanced assessment, unfortunately one that will undoubtedly be spun both ways.

Interesting (to my untrained eye) they think we'd be better off if the banks left![/QUOTE]

that was my initial reaction...might be better if Standard Death did leave.

 

[SocketRocket]

As sliding scale on voting based on population?do you mean the population of a country = how many mep's they have?Well, we'd have the same representation today as we'd have post yes.

This is what I mean: http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/glossary/weighting_votes_council_en.htm

 

[CMAC]

Quite a balanced assessment, unfortunately one that will undoubtedly be spun both ways.

Interesting (to my untrained eye) they think we'd be better off if the banks left![/QUOTE]

that was my initial reaction...might be better if Standard Death did leave.

why do you think that?

 

[the smiling assassin]

having grown up in the highlands, all the anti-westminster-centric stuff being prodded about comes across as seriously hypocritical.

scotland is so central-belt-centric!

what's next, can we have an independant highlands and islands with our own share of the north sea oil? no, as it would be stupid and petty minded and downright pathetic really. :thup:

 

[ger147]

Quite a balanced assessment, unfortunately one that will undoubtedly be spun both ways.

Interesting (to my untrained eye) they think we'd be better off if the banks left![/QUOTE]

that was my initial reaction...might be better if Standard Death did leave.

Very easy statement to make if you're not one of the 5,000 people who would lose their jobs unless they emigrate to a foreign country to keep them.