Scotland Debate

[stevie_r]

:rofl:

So will many look to immigrate from Scotland into England if there is a Yes ?

In the Interests of pedantry, one emigrates to another country Rather than immigrate to it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In the Interests of pedantry, one emigrates to another country Rather than immigrate to it

Meh ! :temper:

 

[ger147]

Haven't Wales been a kingdom at one point with a King ?

Not officially, no.

 

[SocketRocket]

Haven't Wales been a kingdom at one point with a King ?

Yes but not for a long time, they were a Principality up to 1542 but were at that date integrated into the Kingdom of England. Although referred to as a Principality this is not correct.

 

[ger147]

Yes but not for a long time, they were a Principality up to 1542 but were at that date integrated into the Kingdom of England. Although referred to as a Principality this is not correct.

As you correctly state, the UK was created by the union of just 2 kingdoms, England and Scotland. Wales was 100% part of England at the time and NI didn't exist. So if Scotland leaves, there would be no united kingdoms any more.

But as I said above, IMO I see no reason why the UK wouldn't continue to be the name of the rest of the countries if Scotland leave despite how the name originally came about.

 

[stevie_r]

As you correctly state, the UK was created by the union of just 2 kingdoms, England and Scotland. Wales was 100% part of England at the time and NI didn't exist. So if Scotland leaves, there would be no united kingdoms any more.

But as I said above, IMO I see no reason why the UK wouldn't continue to be the name of the rest of the countries if Scotland leave despite how the name originally came about.

I don't see that as being strictly true, is it not The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

 

[ger147]

I don't see that as being strictly true, is it not The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

It is now yes, but it wasn't when first created, it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain, made up of the united kingdoms of England and Scotland.

 

[Foxholer]

Only Scotland and England were historically Kingdoms and that's where the term United Kingdom came from in the first place, so technically there would no longer be any kingdoms that were united.

However, IMO anyway, it's now just the name of the country currently made up of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland and I see no reason why that would not continue to be the name of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland left.

I think Lpp was really stating along the lines....

Is it a Kingdom; is it United!

Suddenly noticed that there's a couple of anagrams their too. Currently SWINE; possibly WINE!

There are a minority of Scots who drink tenants and know everything you know. They will even tell you what their nation flag stands for if you ask them.

Reputedly plenty partake of a Wine Tonic produced nearer your neck of the woods!

 

[Foxholer]

In the Interests of pedantry, one emigrates to another country Rather than immigrate to it

Thank heaven! That's was bugging me.:rofl:

 

[lex!]

wot? You got as wee thing for Daphne Broon?

There's something there, just don't ask me to put my finger on it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There's something there, just don't ask me to put my finger on it.

Every time Daphne comes on the box my Mrs asks me if I fancy her

 

[FairwayDodger]

There's something there, just don't ask me to put my finger on it.

Aye, but you'd prefer Maggie wouldn't you?

 

[titleistho]

so I see a guy that wants scotland to be separate from the union then the first thing he wants after separation is to have a union again with the pound! the man is an idiot who believes his own fantasies, the hanging on fish is just as bad

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

so I see a guy that wants scotland to be separate from the union then the first thing he wants after separation is to have a union again with the pound! the man is an idiot who believes his own fantasies, the hanging on fish is just as bad

Surely it is simply up to the Scottish electorate to decide whether or not the degree of independence that is being offered is what they want - or are are least content with in the short-medium term. If they don't like the idea of being in a 'sterling-zone', and therefore dependent upon the rUK in that respect, then they will be more likely to vote NO.

Who are we down here to scoff and say 'call that independence - that's not real independence - you don't want that' They'll decide whether it is what they want or not - not us.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Who are we down here to scoff and say 'call that independence - that's not real independence - you don't want that' They'll decide whether it is what they want or not - not us.

We down here are the other parties involved. I don't think that you get to pick and choose. You are either with us, or not part of us.

You don't get to slag us off, claim you could do so much better, but then conveniently stick with the good bits that you like. This is something that will directly affect rUK, so we should get some say on this. Fully appreciate all of the parties agreeing and saying no currency union.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Are the 'we down here' people aware that they are being southernist to the rUK residents who are not down there.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Are the 'we down here' people aware that they are being southernist to the rUK residents who are not down there.

How so?

England is under Scotland, therefore "down here" covers everything below Scotland, from Carlisle to Coleraine, to Cornwall.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We down here are the other parties involved. I don't think that you get to pick and choose. You are either with us, or not part of us.

You don't get to slag us off, claim you could do so much better, but then conveniently stick with the good bits that you like. This is something that will directly affect rUK, so we should get some say on this. Fully appreciate all of the parties agreeing and saying no currency union.

They won't actually be able to choose to stick with the good bits they like - they will choose the bits they would want to negotiate with rUK to have/share. The rUK then decides whether or not it suits rUK interests to participate/share.

The YES campaign is gambling on what they consider a near certainty that - whatever the Westminster parties say today (or yesterday) - if push came to shove and an iScotland came knocking on door of #11 Downing Street seeking a 'sterling-zone', then the rUK government would be pragmatic and say OK - purely in the interests of the rUK economy. And that may even be in acceptance that it is not what the rUK would have wanted in an ideal world.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How so?

England is under Scotland, therefore "down here" covers everything below Scotland, from Carlisle to Coleraine, to Cornwall.

So the English and Irish folk who live north of Sandend are being sent to Coventry then.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So the English and Irish folk who live north of Sandend are being sent to Coventry then.

Sorry no room in Coventry.

Wouldn't understand a word they said anyway.