Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

Anyone watch Question Time last night.
Very interesting to hear the criticism of the Scunthorpe folk to The Chancellors statement re £
I did not expect that

 

[Adi2Dassler]

To be honest, Adi, I've never been a Salmond fan but with his latest "bullying" rant I feel he's gone too far. It's not bullying to say "no". Time for the SNP to take that on the chin and tell us what their proposed alternative is.

I do believe he is deliberately trying to stoke up a conflict in the hope it'll drive more pro-union Scots into the "yes" camp through sheer bloody-mindedness (a national trait, lets face it).

I'm no fan of Salmond or The SNP...quite like Sturgeon if truth be told.

Maybe I'm making an assumption here, but the alternative is to use the £ anyway.It's perfectly legal to do so.And I think the reason he's gone negative this past couple of days is because he's being told, no currency union, no share in our £, but you'll be obliged to take your share of the debt.Now last month the treasury confirmed that all debt post yes will be guarantee by them, pretty much saying Scotland doesn't have to take is %, then yesterday we had the treasury setting out the pathway to currency union...the Gideon speech yesterday was a reaction to that pathway.So the treasury an The BoE can both see a pathway to currency union, and yet the politicians on the NO side refuse to agree to use it.Salmond was well within his rights to call their bluff and call that bullying.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

As I see it iscot becames a fully fledged independent country that wants to join the EU without abiding by the current rules for new joiners so wants to latch on to the UK economy. At what point does iscot then turn around because things arnt looking to good down south and run away from the £.

Why would you want your own embassies, most minor countries either share or just have consulates.

As to military assets, not sure why you want them as you have deserted the Scotish regiments not allowing them any say in their future so have nobody able to use those assets.

I think that is a reply saying no asset/no liabilities.

 

[lex!]

To be honest, Adi, I've never been a Salmond fan but with his latest "bullying" rant I feel he's gone too far. It's not bullying to say "no". Time for the SNP to take that on the chin and tell us what their proposed alternative is.

I do believe he is deliberately trying to stoke up a conflict in the hope it'll drive more pro-union Scots into the "yes" camp through sheer bloody-mindedness (a national trait, lets face it).

Yes, I think that you are spot on with these comments. I also think that the worry, on both sides of the border, is that an independant Salmond would unleash a social policy spending spree unlike any other ever seen, without any idea how to pay for it other than borrowed ££ in the very short term.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do you write tabloid headlines by ant chance!!??

What a completely OTT view. I guess you need your daily outrage......

Is it not how some of the Scottish electorate might hear it. And there are some here who would it seems be content to let an iScotland crash and burn if it came to it. Well so be it.

 

[Tommo21]

I think it was a mistake on their part to be so absolute.

Ed Balls and the labour party are crapping themselves............after all, 41 MPs here in scotland are labour.Thats 41 from 59 total.

The chances of the labour party ever being in power again down south would be real slim if scotland went indipendant.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Yes, I think that you are spot on with these comments. I also think that the worry, on both sides of the border, is that an independant Salmond would unleash a social policy spending spree unlike any other ever seen, without any idea how to pay for it other than borrowed ££ in the very short term.

If you genuinely think this to be accurate then there is no hope for you.

 

[lex!]

If you genuinely think this to be accurate then there is no hope for you.

Er....that's why he's been told he can't have the £, and why the NO vote rides high in the opinion polls. There's always hope for me, I hope the wind and rain stops soon so that I can hit a bucket of balls on the way home, and I hope that there's steak for ma tea.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Er....that's why he's been told he can't have the £, and why the NO vote rides high in the opinion polls.

47% Yes
40% No
13% dunno

and its getting closer all the time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Where is that poll from ?

 

[bluewolf]

47% Yes
40% No
13% dunno

and its getting closer all the time.

Is that right? The YES vote is winning? I thought it was the other way..

 

[guest100718]

Ed Balls and the labour party are crapping themselves............after all, 41 MPs here in scotland are labour.Thats 41 from 59 total.

The chances of the labour party ever being in power again down south would be real slim if scotland went indipendant.

Not really, labour would just have to be more targeted in thier policies.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Is that right? The YES vote is winning? I thought it was the other way..

oops, it is the other way round, sorry!

 

[bluewolf]

oops, it is the other way round, sorry!

Worried me for a minute.. Most of us down here don't want you to go..:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Worried me for a minute.. Most of us down here don't want you to go..:thup:

They seem be trying to change that thinking though

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Worried me for a minute.. Most of us down here don't want you to go..:thup:

We've already said ‘Goodbye’.
Since you've got to go
Oh you had better go now.
Go now. Go now. Go now
Before you see me cry.
I don't want you to tell me
Just what you intend to do now.
'Cause how many times do I have to tell you
Darling, darling,
I'm still in love
With you now

 

[bluewolf]

We've already said ‘Goodbye’.
Since you've got to go
Oh you had better go now.
Go now. Go now. Go now
Before you see me cry.
I don't want you to tell me
Just what you intend to do now.
'Cause how many times do I have to tell you
Darling, darling,
I'm still in love
With you now

Stop quoting The Moody Blues at me.....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Stop quoting The Moody Blues at me.....

It's rubbish outside and course is going to be closed again this weekend - I'm moody - I'm blue.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I'm no fan of Salmond or The SNP...quite like Sturgeon if truth be told.

Maybe I'm making an assumption here, but the alternative is to use the £ anyway.It's perfectly legal to do so.And I think the reason he's gone negative this past couple of days is because he's being told, no currency union, no share in our £, but you'll be obliged to take your share of the debt.Now last month the treasury confirmed that all debt post yes will be guarantee by them, pretty much saying Scotland doesn't have to take is %, then yesterday we had the treasury setting out the pathway to currency union...the Gideon speech yesterday was a reaction to that pathway.So the treasury an The BoE can both see a pathway to currency union, and yet the politicians on the NO side refuse to agree to use it.Salmond was well within his rights to call their bluff and call that bullying.

George Osborne's speech was based upon a report and recommendations prepared by the leading Civil Servant at the Treasury so it is rather disingenuous of the Yes campaign to suggest that it is the politicians rather than the Treasury that is rejecting currency union.

Equally the Governor of the BoE did not exactly seem overjoyed by the idea when he recently spoke in Edinburgh.

It is increasingly clear that the Yes campaign does not have a Plan B in the event of being denied currency union, hence the insistence that the UK Government does not really mean it when it says no.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You know who's to blame for all of this independence enthusiasm