Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

This thread has taken an ever so small sinister step over the last couple of pages, mostly between folk living in England discussing Scotland.interesting.


But over the last few days we've discovered the only thing the remaining parts of the united kindom/principality/province are willing to share with an independent Scotland is the debt, NOTHING more.I think that reflects quite badly on rukpp.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

When growing up I considered Southport as way down south (well try getting there from Glasgow before the A74 dual-carriageway and M6 were built) The real south of England was a strange and unknown land - that actually I knew or bothered very little about.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

So the English and Irish folk who live north of Sandend are being sent to Coventry then.

I'm confused?! My geography, admittedly, isn't best, but what parts of England/Wales/Northern Ireland are north of Sandend?

Bear in mind that for this, it is based on where you live, not where you consider yourself to be from. Isn't that right SILH

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This thread has taken an ever so small sinister step over the last couple of pages, mostly between folk living in England discussing Scotland.interesting.


But over the last few days we've discovered the only thing the remaining parts of the united kindom/principality/province are willing to share with an independent Scotland is the debt, NOTHING more.I think that reflects quite badly on rukpp.

yes - noticed that as I count in that group - suddenly lots of opinions about what Scotland should be wanting and should and can't have and impact on us southerners. ANd that is all a good thing I think. And as I mentioned in a previous post - English/Welsh opinion that says basically an iScotland can sod off and sort themselves out - well will be interesting to see how that goes down with the Scottish electorate - and rUK would be willing to just let an iScotland crash and burn if it came to it. Hmmm.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm confused?! My geography, admittedly, isn't best, but what parts of England/Wales/Northern Ireland are north of Sandend?

Bear in mind that for this, it is based on where you live, not where you consider yourself to be from. Isn't that right SILH

Oh yes - I am down south - and so in the context of the debate I want to understand how my government in Westminster) will deal with an iScotland

 

[Old Skier]

This thread has taken an ever so small sinister step over the last couple of pages, mostly between folk living in England discussing Scotland.interesting.

I think your right and it's only going to get worse if as the nationalists and their republican friends realise the no vote is going to win. You only have to look on other forums covering the subject.

Mr Salmond and his crones have a lot to answer for. He's lit the blue touch paper knowing what will come next.

Time for the mods to bin the thread.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I think your right and it's only going to get worse if as the nationalists and their republican friends realise the no vote is going to win. You only have to look on other forums covering the subject.

Mr Salmond and his crones have a lot to answer for. He's lit the blue touch paper knowing what will come next.

Time for the mods to bin the thread.

A guy in Scotland is to blame for the sinister ramblings of folk living in England.

Aye.Right.

 

[Old Skier]

UK would be willing to just let an iScotland crash and burn if it came to it. Hmmm.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was the odd Scot who was looking for a split from RUK.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so one one hand we have Cameron telling the English to tell the Scottish electorate how much we love them - and how much HE loves Scotland and the Scots. And then a few days later we have Osborne et al telling the electorate that if you go you own way - then you are on your own. We really loved you but if you vote YES you burn your bridges with us - and we will say begone and don't come running to us looking for help. A sentiment I can start hearing reflected even on here.

 

[Old Skier]

A guy in Scotland is to blame for the sinister ramblings of folk living in England.

Aye.Right.

:swing:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

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I'm confused?! My geography, admittedly, isn't best, but what parts of England/Wales/Northern Ireland are north of Sandend?

Bear in mind that for this, it is based on where you live, not where you consider yourself to be from. Isn't that right SILH

There you go.
I think Edinburgh is also further west than Bristol [in the west country]

 

[Old Skier]

SLH the only thing I hear is that we do love you (less your pipes) but if you want Independence so be it. We just don't understand why you only want bits of independence and not the full blown deal.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

SLH the only thing I hear is that we do love you (less your pipes) but if you want Independence so be it. We just don't understand why you only want bits of independence and not the full blown deal.

We don't have to understand what they want. If what they think they are being offered doesn't match what they want for an iScotland then they will be more inclined to say NO.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

SLH the only thing I hear is that we do love you (less your pipes) but if you want Independence so be it. We just don't understand why you only want bits of independence and not the full blown deal.

So a fully indy Scotland gets no £,embassies,no assets, no liabilities?

 

[Old Skier]

We don't have to understand what they want. If what they think they are being offered doesn't match what they want for an iScotland then they will be more inclined to say NO.

I get it. Scots want independence but are unsure about which bits of being independent they want.

 

[NWJocko]

And so one one hand we have Cameron telling the English to tell the Scottish electorate how much we love them - and how much HE loves Scotland and the Scots. And then a few days later we have Osborne et al telling the electorate that if you go you own way - then you are on your own. We really loved you but if you vote YES you burn your bridges with us - and we will say begone and don't come running to us looking for help. A sentiment I can start hearing reflected even on here.

Do you write tabloid headlines by ant chance!!??

What a completely OTT view. I guess you need your daily outrage......

In the event of a Yes vote the Westminster govt remit is to.look after the interests of those they govern as a first priority. All they are saying is they don't feel a currency union (and an implicit guarantee of sorts) forms part of that.

Your post says "if you go your own way - then you are on your own" makes me chuckle. Is that not the point and definition of Independence!!!???

 

[FairwayDodger]

A guy in Scotland is to blame for the sinister ramblings of folk living in England.

Aye.Right.

To be honest, Adi, I've never been a Salmond fan but with his latest "bullying" rant I feel he's gone too far. It's not bullying to say "no". Time for the SNP to take that on the chin and tell us what their proposed alternative is.

I do believe he is deliberately trying to stoke up a conflict in the hope it'll drive more pro-union Scots into the "yes" camp through sheer bloody-mindedness (a national trait, lets face it).

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I get it. Scots want independence but are unsure about which bits of being independent they want.

Come the vote I hope they will have an idea of what is being offered - and so for instance as of today the YES campaign say that that will include Scotland using Sterling as currency as part of a 'Sterling Zone' with rUK. Now if the Scottish electorate don't like that idea and that it's not independent enough - they will be more inclined to vote NO. And the same will apply for a number of other things to be 'shared' with rUK and Europe.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I do believe he is deliberately trying to stoke up a conflict in the hope it'll drive more pro-union Scots into the "yes" camp through sheer bloody-mindedness (a national trait, lets face it).

And I think that the more widespread south of the border becomes the view that an iScotland could crash and burn as far they could care - that too could have the same result.

The bullying phrasing is not quite right. But I think that it is the case that for the Westminster parties to say - No Never on currency union is disingenous because there is no such as thing as 'never' in this. I think it was a mistake on their part to be so absolute.

 

[Old Skier]

So a fully indy Scotland gets no £,embassies,no assets, no liabilities?

As I see it iscot becames a fully fledged independent country that wants to join the EU without abiding by the current rules for new joiners so wants to latch on to the UK economy. At what point does iscot then turn around because things arnt looking to good down south and run away from the £.

Why would you want your own embassies, most minor countries either share or just have consulates.

As to military assets, not sure why you want them as you have deserted the Scotish regiments not allowing them any say in their future so have nobody able to use those assets.