Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

Just to clarify a few points there have been several polls about the important issues of independence and as a rough guide I have listed them.
You will see that defense and currency feature quite low.

The Economy
Pensions
Welfare
Relationship with rUK
Currency
Immigration
Energy
Defense
Relationship with EU
Broadcasting.

Isnt the Economy and Pensions purely dependent on the currency

Again - no such place as rUK - its UK and will continue to be UK with or without Scotland

 

[Phil2511]

Yep

If they no longer wish to be part of this great combined kingdom then they can walk away with nothing

Sorry but they paid for the running of the armed forces etc so when they leave they can pay for the running of their own armed forces and get their own equipment and get their own personel

They will have nothing from the UK because they have no wish to be a part of us - they cant pick and choose what they take ( as per that white paper nonsense ) - and yes that includes the debt - they get none of that

So they start with nothing from us and be truely independent and have nothing to do with the rest of the UK - as they so wish

Well if they are getting away debt free then that's better than having a few tatty old ships or planes lol. They will probably be better equipped after 5 years than the Uk lol

Especially as the rUK debt levels would rise substantially as there would be less to pay it off. Plus if the iScotland were to lower the VAT rate and duty on goods even by a small percentage they will boost their economy with the influx of Northern English looking to save. Just like the Irish do into Northern Ireland for goods and the Northern Irish do into the Republic for fuel.

Plus if they get into Europe the rUk cannot restrict the transportation of goods into iScotland via rUK roads either.

 

[MarkA]

It's UK - there is no such place a rUK and there won't be afterwards - it will still be UK

And yes we can keep our trident and our currency and our armed forces - in fact we can have everything and Scotland can be truly independent and create everything from scratch

And then you will need to apply for a visa to work in England or anywhere in the UK or go back and find work in the newly formed Independant country of Scotland

You'll get a similar situation with Northern Ireland and Eire - Loose Border controls and even laxer Econonic governance with the Eire economy having virtually self destructed due to the Euro and requiring the EU and the UK to bail them out due to the inherent weakness of their banking systems ( which mirrors Scotland) and Northern Ireland relatively stable in the sterling though with slightly other pressures

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Isnt the Economy and Pensions purely dependent on the currency

Again - no such place as rUK - its UK and will continue to be UK with or without Scotland

Keep up.........how can it be united when there is only one Kingdom left.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well if they are getting away debt free then that's better than having a few tatty old ships or planes lol. They will probably be better equipped after 5 years than the Uk lol

Especially as their debt levels would rise substantially as there would be less to pay it off. Plus if they lower the VAT rate and duty on goods even by a small percentage they will boost their economy with the influx of Northern English looking to save. Just like the Irish do into Northern Ireland for goods and the Northern Irish do into the Republic for fuel.

Plus if they get into Europe the Uk cannot restrict the transportation of goods into Scotland via UK roads either.

Sounds good to me - shall be fun watching them try

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Keep up.........how can it be united when there is only one Kingdom left.

Have you told Wales and N Ireland they dont count

 

[Phil2511]

Sounds good to me - shall be fun watching them try

There is no way that the EU will allow rUK to stop the iScottish from taking goods into the free state lol

you think there will be another Hadrians Wall and a crowd of rUK folks patrolling it, you have been watching too much Game of Thrones if you think that lol

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There is no way that the EU will allow rUK to stop the iScottish from taking goods into the free state lol

you think there will be another Hadrians Wall and a crowd of rUK folks patrolling it, you have been watching too much Game of Thrones if you think that lol

Sorry but its UK - no such place as rUK



Never said anything about goods being stopped or Hadrians Wall etc

 

[Phil2511]

Sorry but its UK - no such place as rUK



Never said anything about goods being stopped or Hadrians Wall etc

you are correct there is no rUK but there will be after there becomes an iScotland.

And your post incinuated there would be trouble if the iScottish try to drive on rUK roads, hence my response.

 

[Old Skier]

And why would they not be allowed to retain certain shops and planes and other weapons and stuff? The residents if Scotland did pay tax contributions that paid for the entire Uk arsenal and fleet of planes and ships. So therefore are entitled to a percentage of that.

You can keep the shops. Now about the hardware. As you are not giving the vote to those who currently use the gear, what makes you think they would wish to become nationalist all of a sudden and move up to iscot.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

you are correct there is no rUK but there will be after there becomes an iScotland.

And your post incinuated there would be trouble if the iScottish try to drive on rUK roads, hence my response.

After Scotland leave ( well thats IF they do ) it will still be called UK -

There is still 3 kingdoms united together - that makes it - United Kingdom

They are still UK roads - just Scotland is no longer a part of the UK

I would personally builod tolls on the roads in from Scotland

 

[EuanRoss]

I have to physically restrain my wife from attacking the television whenever her face appears on it.

My mother is the same. She works for the NHS and has never forgiven her for some of the things she said when she was health secretary.

 

[stevie_r]

I would personally builod tolls on the roads in from Scotland

On occasions Phil, you do come out with some utter cobblers

 

[Deleted member 15344]

On occasions Phil, you do come out with some utter cobblers

Good way to raise funds for the UK

 

[FairwayDodger]

Good way to raise funds for the UK

That's rUK to you.....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's rUK to you.....

:rofl:

So will many look to immigrate from Scotland into England if there is a Yes ?

 

[Foxholer]

What you are suggesting is "if you dont wanna play my way then im taking my ball back" lol

Bad analogy imo.

What LpP is suggesting is more along the lines of 'Go find another game!'

@DfT. Immigration appears relatively low too. Presumably it's buried somewhere in the White Paper, but I cba trawling through to find it, but...

Can you explain how the Passport situation and the relationship to EU is going to work for the period Scotland isn't in the EU - assuming, reasonably, that there will be a qualification period.

Scots will no longer qualify for a UK Passport - so will have their own. What will be the rights of EU Passport Holders already in Scotland and Scottish Passport holders in EU Zone - which also means rUK - be. If there's actually equivalence, then Scotland has extraordinary access to EU Zone without any of the other (fiscal etc) controls that apply to EU. Not necessarily a bad thing for an interim period, but could be truly chaotic, and unmanageable Border/Entry-wise - there would have to be some sort of control on rUK/Scotland Borders - at least in 1 direction.

Of course, if Scots continue to be granted a UK Passport, that's not actually independence is it!

 

[Old Skier]

That's rUK to you.....

anything to keep those bloody howling pipes in iscot.

 

[Foxholer]

anything to keep those bloody howling pipes in iscot.

I think it was a Spike Milligan character who described then perfectly for me...

'What is that burning noise?'!

 

[Phil2511]

Bad analogy imo.

What LpP is suggesting is more along the lines of 'Go find another game!'

it got my point across IN MY OPINION lol

same bus different window as they say