Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

Well if they go for it and find themselves in that hole - good luck to them. But 25yrs down the line when they have dug themselves out of that hole I guess we shouldn't expect any favours from them. And meanwhile as we let them fall apart (with no impact on rUK economy) I'm thinking they won't really see us as very helpful or friendly neighbours. That's going to be fun,

So they would want to be Independent from us but also expect us to help them ?

Sorry but no - one or the other

And If there is a yes vote the conditions won't be driven from some people from Salmond - they will be driven by UK government and what is best for us and not for an Independent Scotland

 

[Old Skier]

And then you will need to apply for a visa to work in England or anywhere in the UK or go back and find work in the newly formed Independant country of Scotland

I'm not sure we would be that big a bully but a citizenship course and exam may be required

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not sure we would be that big a bully but a citizenship course and exam may be required

If they want to be fully independent then we will treat them the same as all the others

Visas to work for a certain period or they go home

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Interesting piece in the Business section of today's Telegraph. According to OPEC North Sea oil production has over recent years fallen to levels much lower than turn of century and this year is expected fall further to pre 1978 levels.

Independence or not this is surely a cause of concern for us all.

 

[lex!]

Keeping my ear to the ground, I predict a NO vote, about 75-25.

 

[Phil2511]

And then you will need to apply for a visa to work in England or anywhere in the UK or go back and find work in the newly formed Independant country of Scotland

Not if it is part of Europe, as there will be open borders in regards to work and entry for EU Citizens, the same as it is in the rest of Europe.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If they want to be fully independent then we will treat them the same as all the others

Visas to work for a certain period or they go home

I am not sure that the thousands of English folk working in Scotland would agree with that.

 

[Phil2511]

If they want to be fully independent then we will treat them the same as all the others

Visas to work for a certain period or they go home

See my previous post.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not if it is part of Europe, as there will be open borders in regards to work and entry for EU Citizens, the same as it is in the rest of Europe.

They have to be admitted first :thup:

Heard some say they don't also want Scotland to be part of NATO also

It looks like some just want to cherry pick exactly what they want

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am not sure that the thousands of English folk working in Scotland would agree with that.

I'm sure they will be flooding back into England to instead of risking the Euro :thup:

 

[Phil2511]

They have to be admitted first :thup:

Heard some say they don't also want Scotland to be part of NATO also

It looks like some just want to cherry pick exactly what they want

And how likely is it that they wont be admitted? Afterall they are already in it now so to speak, they obviously dont wish to be part of NATO as they then wont have to send troops on peacekeeping missions etc so wont need as large an army. So save money in a fashion, although they will obviously have to then pay them the dole if they intend to decrease military numbers. Who would want to invade them anyways? And if they did then the UK would obviously step in as its a threat to them also.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And how likely is it that they wont be admitted? Afterall they are already in it now so to speak, they obviously dont wish to be part of NATO as they then wont have to send troops on peacekeeping missions etc so wont need as large an army. So save money in a fashion, although they will obviously have to then pay them the dole if they intend to decrease military numbers. Who would want to invade them anyways? And if they did then the UK would obviously step in as its a threat to them also.

Well the waters around Scotland also form part of current NATO ship patrols in the North Sea and Atlantic

Either patrol is themselves including the skies or be part of NATO ( after they have built their boats and planes or bought them from someone )

And would UK step in or would we lock our borders up and protect ourselves ?

Again leave them to fend for themselves - got to see them being truly independent :thup:

 

[Old Skier]

The terms of entry to the Eurozone for new entrants is to sign up for the € so you really don't need the £.

 

[Phil2511]

Well the waters around Scotland also form part of current NATO ship patrols in the North Sea and Atlantic

Either patrol is themselves including the skies or be part of NATO ( after they have built their boats and planes or bought them from someone )

And would UK step in or would we lock our borders up and protect ourselves ?

Again leave them to fend for themselves - got to see them being truly independent :thup:

And why would they not be allowed to retain certain shops and planes and other weapons and stuff? The residents if Scotland did pay tax contributions that paid for the entire Uk arsenal and fleet of planes and ships. So therefore are entitled to a percentage of that.

 

[stevie_r]

And how likely is it that they wont be admitted? Afterall they are already in it now so to speak, they obviously dont wish to be part of NATO as they then wont have to send troops on peacekeeping missions etc so wont need as large an army. So save money in a fashion, although they will obviously have to then pay them the dole if they intend to decrease military numbers. Who would want to invade them anyways? And if they did then the UK would obviously step in as its a threat to them also.

Pretty sure that Salmond's position is that he would want Scotland to be a part of NATO

 

[MarkE]

What do the Scots actually want from all this. I'm no expert, but it seems to me the overriding reason is just to be free from England. They may want out of the UK, but will still be part of the British Isles and thereby will still be Britons, like the rest of us. Seems like a classic case of cutting your nose off to spite you face. They seem to want to go it alone but to cherry pick the bits they want to keep i.e the Pound. They'll be telling us next they expect to carry on using English as their native language.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And why would they not be allowed to retain certain shops and planes and other weapons and stuff? The residents if Scotland did pay tax contributions that paid for the entire Uk arsenal and fleet of planes and ships. So therefore are entitled to a percentage of that.

Because they are going on their own IMO

They can start from scratch as far as I'm concerned

They remove any right to anything owned by uk taxpayers the minute they decide to leave the UK

They should be allowed to pick and choose what they take - any entitlements cease the minute they stop paying tax and leave

 

[Phil2511]

Because they are going on their own IMO

They can start from scratch as far as I'm concerned

They remove any right to anything owned by uk taxpayers the minute they decide to leave the UK

They should be allowed to pick and choose what they take - any entitlements cease the minute they stop paying tax and leave

If they dont wish to be a part of the UK any longer that is their choice, the fact still stands they contributed as much towards the UK as Wales, England and NI did, so therefore they have an entitlement to a percentage of the items owned by the UK as a whole.

What you are suggesting is "if you dont wanna play my way then im taking my ball back" lol

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just to clarify a few points there have been several polls about the important issues of independence and as a rough guide I have listed them.
You will see that defense and currency feature quite low.

The Economy
Pensions
Welfare
Relationship with rUK
Currency
Immigration
Energy
Defense
Relationship with EU
Broadcasting.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If they dont wish to be a part of the UK any longer that is their choice, the fact still stands they contributed as much towards the UK as Wales, England and NI did, so therefore they have an entitlement to a percentage of the items owned by the UK as a whole.

What you are suggesting is "if you dont wanna play my way then im taking my ball back" lol

Yep

If they no longer wish to be part of this great combined kingdom then they can walk away with nothing

Sorry but they paid for the running of the armed forces etc so when they leave they can pay for the running of their own armed forces and get their own equipment and get their own personel

They will have nothing from the UK because they have no wish to be a part of us - they cant pick and choose what they take ( as per that white paper nonsense ) - and yes that includes the debt - they get none of that

So they start with nothing from us and be truely independent and have nothing to do with the rest of the UK - as they so wish