Scotland Debate

[FairwayDodger]

Westminster - damned if they get involved and damned if they don't.

Lets hope that the England footie team don't cock it up and win the World Cup, that would mean a certain yes vote. :mmm:

Lol - Salmond missed a trick by not staging the referendum DURING the world cup, when our anti-English fervour will be at its highest.... Won't take too many Clive Tyldesley commentaries to change even my vote......

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A no vote means Scotland stays as part of the UK and nothing changes

It's Scotland that wants change so they can do the talking

If people vote No then what should change ? Nothing is the answer

Lots of demands from people - the current government don't have to say anything - it's not their campaign

If NO means nothing changes then fine - let's hear Cameron say it.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Westminster - damned if they get involved and damned if they don't.

Lets hope that the England footie team don't cock it up and win the World Cup, that would mean a certain yes vote. :mmm:

Don't worry that is even less likely than Scotland winning the Six Nations !

 

[EuanRoss]

The problem with the whole campaign is just that there is far too much spin. Why is Sturgeon (a horrible horrible creature) coming out and saying that it's the No campaign trying to bully Scotland by saying there will be no currency union? Don't say that, say what you are going to do about it. It's clearly been a bedrock of the independence movement that there would be currency union and now the UK has said that there will not be. Get over it and come up with a proposal.

The other thing that is making me fed up is the Yes campaign constantly saying what they would do if independence came about and challenging the No campaign to say what they will do if it doesn't. By it's very definition, a No vote is one for the status quo and thus the No campaign doesn't have to propose to do anything should they win, just carry on as things are.

This is far too big a decision for spin and political point scoring to be the order of the day, just wish that both sides would present their arguments in a clear and concise fashion instead of spending half their time harping on about the other lot (especially the Yes campaign)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My NO vote is a vote for the status quo.

The status quo is that we all live and cooperate together within a union whose precise culture, economy, constitution etc have always and will continue to evolve....

I really don't see any need for "Better Together" to attempt to define their position any further than that....

So you are not bothered that there might in the future be changes in Scottish representation at Westminster, changes to Barnett formula leading to reduction in funding, EU status - well OK.

 

[NWJocko]

The problem with the whole campaign is just that there is far too much spin. Why is Sturgeon (a horrible horrible creature) coming out and saying that it's the No campaign trying to bully Scotland by saying there will be no currency union? Don't say that, say what you are going to do about it. It's clearly been a bedrock of the independence movement that there would be currency union and now the UK has said that there will not be. Get over it and come up with a proposal.

The other thing that is making me fed up is the Yes campaign constantly saying what they would do if independence came about and challenging the No campaign to say what they will do if it doesn't. By it's very definition, a No vote is one for the status quo and thus the No campaign doesn't have to propose to do anything should they win, just carry on as things are.

This is far too big a decision for spin and political point scoring to be the order of the day, just wish that both sides would present their arguments in a clear and concise fashion instead of spending half their time harping on about the other lot (especially the Yes campaign)

For the second time today, Hurrah!!!! Sensible posts aren't welcome here though.......

 

[NWJocko]

So you are not bothered that there might in the future be changes in Scottish representation at Westminster, changes to Barnett formula leading to reduction in funding, EU status - well OK.

That could come about without this vote as part of a proposal at any time........?

 

[stevie_r]

If NO means nothing changes then fine - let's hear Cameron say it.

He doesn't need to, as has been previously stated it's down to Salmond. An announcement of a swathe of sweeping changes in the event of a NO vote would indicate that there are serious problems with the union that HMG aren't currently addressing - hardly a good idea.

By saying nothing he is clearly indicating a status quo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If NO means nothing changes then fine - let's hear Cameron say it.

He has no need to say it

It's not his campaign - he doesn't have to satisfy any demands from people

It doesn't matter to you does it - you have made yourself home in England

But I would take it if he has said nothing it means nothing will change :thup:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Would you like to see Salmond spending more time in Westminster trying to iron things out? Genuinely interested in the view of an avowed Yes voter

I'd like to see Salmond down there and Cameron up here on a regular basis, this is pretty big stuff and all this mud throwing is doing no one any good.

 

[NWJocko]

I'd like to see Salmond down there and Cameron up here on a regular basis, this is pretty big stuff and all this mud throwing is doing no one any good.

100% agree, regardless of your views (with or without a vote).

Hope it happens, I fear it won't and Salmond will continue to reduce it to a political points scoring exercise through trying to entice Cameron et al into TV debates etc

 

[Foxholer]

He has no need to say it

It's not his campaign - he doesn't have to satisfy any demands from people

It doesn't matter to you does it - you have made yourself home in England

But I would take it if he has said nothing it means nothing will change :thup:

I'm somewhat biased, but I've always considered those that have left their Country of Birth are often more concerned/aware about it - and their Country of Residence - than those who haven't.

Otherwise I agree.

As for Bullying. I would imagine Ms Sturgeon has some experience in that area!

 

[Old Skier]

Daily Politics might be interesting today. The lady herself has appeared.

 

[FairwayDodger]

So you are not bothered that there might in the future be changes in Scottish representation at Westminster, changes to Barnett formula leading to reduction in funding, EU status - well OK.

Lots of things "might" happen regardless of how the vote goes so, no, I'm not losing any sleep over any of that...

 

[Old Skier]

Daily Politics might be interesting today. The lady herself has appeared.

We are all a bunch of bullies and iscot will continue to use the £ if we like it or not.

 

[lex!]

The problem with the whole campaign is just that there is far too much spin. Why is Sturgeon (a horrible horrible creature)

Have to confess that I have always had a soft spot for her (and no, it's not a bog in Westruther)

 

[titleistho]

A no vote means Scotland stays as part of the UK and nothing changes

It's Scotland that wants change so they can do the talking

If people vote No then what should change ? Nothing is the answer

Lots of demands from people - the current government don't have to say anything - it's not their campaign

He doesn't need to, as has been previously stated it's down to Salmond. An announcement of a swathe of sweeping changes in the event of a NO vote would indicate that there are serious problems with the union that HMG aren't currently addressing - hardly a good idea.

By saying nothing he is clearly indicating a status quo.

two good posts!

Salmond and Sturgeon are twisting everything they can, anyone with a modicum of sense will surely see past this- I do have buddies who are in the snp and it's frightening the unwavering belief they have, founded on nothing more than another mans unsubstanciated fantasies

 

[stevie_r]

Have to confess that I have always had a soft spot for her (and no, it's not a bog in Westruther)

I have to physically restrain my wife from attacking the television whenever her face appears on it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It seems there is a simple solution to the £££££.

English banknotes just say 'pounds' whereas Scottish banknotes say 'pounds sterling'.
dUK can keep pounds and iScotland can keep pounds sterling.

 

[stevie_r]

It seems there is a simple solution to the £££££.

English banknotes just say 'pounds' whereas Scottish banknotes say 'pounds sterling'.
dUK can keep pounds and iScotland can keep pounds sterling.

I think it will be the groat, or possibly some form of bartering system. My subs next year will be 4 goats and a small terrier with two chickens as change.