Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 18588]

Well if they are getting away debt free then that's better than having a few tatty old ships or planes lol. They will probably be better equipped after 5 years than the Uk lol

Especially as the rUK debt levels would rise substantially as there would be less to pay it off. Plus if the iScotland were to lower the VAT rate and duty on goods even by a small percentage they will boost their economy with the influx of Northern English looking to save. Just like the Irish do into Northern Ireland for goods and the Northern Irish do into the Republic for fuel.

Plus if they get into Europe the rUk cannot restrict the transportation of goods into iScotland via rUK roads either.

Where do you get the idea that an independent Scotland would start with a clear balance sheet? There will, aside from anything else, be outstanding debt on infrastructure.

Plus the current time is not a good one to be citing any advantages to be gained by copying the Republic's economy. In any event it is very difficult to see how a country whose economy is going to apparently based upon one shrinking resource, oil, can afford to reduce VAT & duty levels. Particularly as, sterling or euro, it will not have control of its fiscal policy.

 

[Phil2511]

After Scotland leave ( well thats IF they do ) it will still be called UK -

There is still 3 kingdoms united together - that makes it - United Kingdom

They are still UK roads - just Scotland is no longer a part of the UK

I would personally builod tolls on the roads in from Scotland

no it will be rUK as in revised, restructured and reshaped, oh and tolls will be one thing but then they must charge the same to all, if they charge tolls they will throttle the road networks into Northern Ireland massively as 90% of good enter via Stranraer

 

[Phil2511]

Where do you get the idea that an independent Scotland would start with a clear balance sheet? There will, aside from anything else, be outstanding debt on infrastructure.

Plus the current time is not a good one to be citing any advantages to be gained by copying the Republic's economy. In any event it is very difficult to see how a country whose economy is going to apparently based upon one shrinking resource, oil, can afford to reduce VAT & duty levels. Particularly as, sterling or euro, it will not have control of its fiscal policy.

Liverpool Phil is giving them a debt free start mate, not me lol i am only responding to his dreams lol

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bad analogy imo.

What LpP is suggesting is more along the lines of 'Go find another game!'

@DfT. Immigration appears relatively low too. Presumably it's buried somewhere in the White Paper, but I cba trawling through to find it, but...

Can you explain how the Passport situation and the relationship to EU is going to work for the period Scotland isn't in the EU - assuming, reasonably, that there will be a qualification period.

Scots will no longer qualify for a UK Passport - so will have their own. What will be the rights of EU Passport Holders already in Scotland and Scottish Passport holders in EU Zone - which also means rUK - be. If there's actually equivalence, then Scotland has extraordinary access to EU Zone without any of the other (fiscal etc) controls that apply to EU. Not necessarily a bad thing for an interim period, but could be truly chaotic, and unmanageable Border/Entry-wise - there would have to be some sort of control on rUK/Scotland Borders - at least in 1 direction.

Of course, if Scots continue to be granted a UK Passport, that's not actually independence is it!

I think most of that was in the Edinburgh agreement.
IF there is a yes vote it will take at least 2/3 years to sort out.

That's why today's bluster by the Chancellor is being seen for what it really is in Scotland.
In the unlikely event of a yes vote you would see a sharp re defining of todays comments.

 

[Old Skier]

Where do you get the idea that an independent Scotland would start with a clear balance sheet? There will, aside from anything else, be outstanding debt on infrastructure.
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He doesn't, just see's a good wind up when he see's one. He just wants to play with his infraction button before he goes back to his Jamison's.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

no it will be rUK as in revised, restructured and reshaped, oh and tolls will be one thing but then they must charge the same to all, if they charge tolls they will throttle the road networks into Northern Ireland massively as 90% of good enter via Stranraer

Who says it will be called that ? - is this written down in that white paper ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

BTW
rUK is a bit more polite than 'them'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Liverpool Phil is giving them a debt free start mate, not me lol i am only responding to his dreams lol

The only dreams is that novel Salmond calls a white paper

At the end of the day it's not going to happen - the yes vote won't happen but with some of the anti English attitude I have witnessed in recent months I'm now quite sad about that.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think most of that was in the Edinburgh agreement.
IF there is a yes vote it will take at least 2/3 years to sort out.

That's why today's bluster by the Chancellor is being seen for what it really is in Scotland.
In the unlikely event of a yes vote you would see a sharp re defining of todays comments.

So a few weeks ago the YES campaign demanded answers from Westminster and now when they get one it is dismissed as bluster and bullying.

You couldn't make it up.

 

[Old Skier]

That's why today's bluster by the Chancellor is being seen for what it really is in Scotland.
In the unlikely event of a yes vote you would see a sharp re defining of todays comments.

Not a chance, it would be political suicide. Any political party that try's to reverse what was said today might just see the RUK version of an Arab Spring. We this side don't want a split but if the people of Scotland decide that's what they want then so be it but don't expect us just to roll over and let iscot keep the best bits.

 

[Old Skier]

Nice to see Babcock and BAE meeting in the SW today

 

[Phil2511]

The only dreams is that novel Salmond calls a white paper

At the end of the day it's not going to happen - the yes vote won't happen but with some of the anti English attitude I have witnessed in recent months I'm now quite sad about that.

Then why are you so obsessed with it lol

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then why are you so obsessed with it lol

It's a debate isn't it ? It's quite amusing at times

 

[Foxholer]

I think most of that was in the Edinburgh agreement.
IF there is a yes vote it will take at least 2/3 years to sort out.

That's why today's bluster by the Chancellor is being seen for what it really is in Scotland.
In the unlikely event of a yes vote you would see a sharp re defining of todays comments.

Do you mean the Edinburgh Agreement as a consequence of the Danish rejection of Maastricht Treaty? Denmark was a member of EU then, Scotland wouldn't be. An interim agreement/wind up/down?

Or the Edinburgh agreement about how to conduct the Referendum?

 

[ger147]

After Scotland leave ( well thats IF they do ) it will still be called UK -

There is still 3 kingdoms united together - that makes it - United Kingdom

They are still UK roads - just Scotland is no longer a part of the UK

I would personally builod tolls on the roads in from Scotland

1 Kingdom, 1 Principality and 1 Province, not 3 Kingdoms.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

1 Kingdom, 1 Principality and 1 Province, not 3 Kingdoms.

So still United Kingdom regardless of any definition or what Scotland wants to do

 

[ger147]

So still United Kingdom regardless of any definition or what Scotland wants to do

Only Scotland and England were historically Kingdoms and that's where the term United Kingdom came from in the first place, so technically there would no longer be any kingdoms that were united.

However, IMO anyway, it's now just the name of the country currently made up of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland and I see no reason why that would not continue to be the name of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland left.

 

[Old Skier]

So still United Kingdom regardless of any definition or what Scotland wants to do

There are a minority of Scots who drink tenants and know everything you know. They will even tell you what their nation flag stands for if you ask them.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Only Scotland and England were historically Kingdoms and that's where the term United Kingdom came from in the first place, so technically there would no longer be any kingdoms that were united.

However, IMO anyway, it's now just the name of the country currently made up of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland and I see no reason why that would not continue to be the name of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland left.

Surely you are not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llewellyn the last King of Wales.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Only Scotland and England were historically Kingdoms and that's where the term United Kingdom came from in the first place, so technically there would no longer be any kingdoms that were united.

However, IMO anyway, it's now just the name of the country currently made up of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland and I see no reason why that would not continue to be the name of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland left.

Haven't Wales been a kingdom at one point with a King ?