Scotland Debate

[Val]

Respect is very much a two way street Val

I'm aware of that, so what lack of respect are the Scottish people showing?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm aware of that, so what lack of respect are the Scottish people showing?

Depends what sort of people are we talking

Scottish people as whole - i cant say - people i have met and worked with - no lack of respect

Some posts on here - plenty - certainly ones aimed towards "South East England"

Do Scotland respect England ? You guys live there to be able to tell me

I certainly respect the Scottish people i have met

But can you say with 100% assurance that the whole of Scotland respects England/Rest of Uk

Just as i cant say with 100% assurance that the whole of England/UK respect Scotland

As i said a while ago - until i came on this site i have never witness such "nastiness" between England and Scotland - worked with many people from Scotland and have had the banter with them - i was utterly astounded to be told its racist because i called someone a Jock.

I just hope that the general undertone of this thread isnt a picture of the whole of the country

 

[Val]

It's how you use the term Jock but let's not go there, there was no amount of explaining the last time could convince you so best let lie.

In terms of respect, I'm sure DFT comment is aimed at Westminster not English people.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's how you use the term Jock but let's not go there, there was no amount of explaining the last time could convince you so best let lie.

In terms of respect, I'm sure DFT comment is aimed at Westminster not English people.

Does Westminster not respect the Scottish people then ?

 

[Val]

Does Westminster not respect the Scottish people then ?

IMO, not on the way it should for the many many reasons highlighted on this thread. Was giving us the poll tax a year before everyone else respect to name an obvious example.

 

[SocketRocket]

I dont know anyone in England that thinks they would be better off with Scotland out of the UK or for that have a real dislike for the Scots. I get the definite vibe there are a fair number of Scots that have a certain dislike or even hatred for the 'English' and it is the 'English' rather than the rUK. I can only hazard a guess this is historic and looking to past conflicts.

Shame really, a little banter and mick taking is one thing but it's a shame if our Nations separate because people cant let go of the past.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's how you use the term Jock but let's not go there, there was no amount of explaining the last time could convince you so best let lie.

In terms of respect, I'm sure DFT comment is aimed at Westminster not English people.

Correct, I said rUK not England.
Phil and SR were the ones who specifically mentioned England

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Correct, I said rUK not England.
Phil and SR were the ones who specifically mentioned England

The anti english undercurrent to your posts that eminates from you is as clear as day :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Correct, I said rUK not England.
Phil and SR were the ones who specifically mentioned England

You know well that you are not referring to Welsh or Irish in your critiques. Man up to your convictions.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The anti english undercurrent to your posts that eminates from you is as clear as day :thup:

Says the man who calls us 'Jocks'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Says the man who calls us 'Jocks'.

Yep - a nickname commonly used in the forces to describe people from Scotland and meant with zero malice and all about banter - same when the Irish are called Paddy and the Welsh are called Taffs.

 

[Old Skier]

Interesting, a minority of the Scots in the Islands feel they should become Independent. Is this the start of the break up of Scotland. Will an iscot assist in setting up a referendum.

 

[Old Skier]

The worlds gone mad. Human rights to a level of stupidity for terrorists and people running into the corner for a weep because their called Taff, paddy and jock.
I wish I had a £ for every time I had been called Brit scum by members of the UK. Some people are just so precious.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The worlds gone mad. Human rights to a level of stupidity for terrorists and people running into the corner for a weep because their called Taff, paddy and jock.
I wish I had a £ for every time I had been called Brit scum by members of the UK. Some people are just so precious.

Are you implying that the Scots, Irish and Welsh are terrorists now?

 

[Hobbit]

The previous two Prime Ministers were Scottish.
The make up of the previous cabinets had a healthy dose of Scottish Ministers.
The Govt. spending per head is only greater in Northern Ireland.

And you think Westminster is anti-Scottish? There are two very different political parties in power, north and south of the Border, and I can understand them not getting on but I don't see separate UK laws being applied to different countries. The chip on some shoulders, about perceived unfairness and lack of respect, is laughable.

Can Scotland stand on its own two feet? Of course it can, and would probably do a damn good job of it too. But if you want independance, be independant. There's too much cake and eat it being bandied about. - you want independance but want the pound, and you'll trade Faslane to keep the pound. Be brave if you want independance, and do your own thing.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

The worlds gone mad. Human rights to a level of stupidity for terrorists and people running into the corner for a weep because their called Taff, paddy and jock.
I wish I had a £ for every time I had been called Brit scum by members of the UK. Some people are just so precious.

Interesting you decide to use terrorist and Scots/Welsh/Irish as the same comparisons in the same sentence, and Scottish residents are being accused of showing a lack of respect.

yours,

A.Precious

 

[SocketRocket]

Interesting you decide to use terrorist and Scots/Welsh/Irish as the same comparisons in the same sentence, and Scottish residents are being accused of showing a lack of respect.

yours,

A.Precious

There you go again putting words peoples mouths. You know well that he was not suggesting Scotts are terrorists!!

 

[Val]

Yep - a nickname commonly used in the forces to describe people from Scotland and meant with zero malice and all about banter - same when the Irish are called Paddy and the Welsh are called Taffs.

Not everyone here is or has been in the forces so you shouldn't assume it's acceptable everywhere.

As was already highlighted a long time ago, people accept this from people they tend to know and others (like me) don't tend to like it from strangers.

Again, this debate goes round in circles, no-one will agree so it's best being dropped

 

[Val]

The previous two Prime Ministers were Scottish.
The make up of the previous cabinets had a healthy dose of Scottish Ministers.
The Govt. spending per head is only greater in Northern Ireland.

And you think Westminster is anti-Scottish? There are two very different political parties in power, north and south of the Border, and I can understand them not getting on but I don't see separate UK laws being applied to different countries. The chip on some shoulders, about perceived unfairness and lack of respect, is laughable.

Can Scotland stand on its own two feet? Of course it can, and would probably do a damn good job of it too. But if you want independance, be independant. There's too much cake and eat it being bandied about. - you want independance but want the pound, and you'll trade Faslane to keep the pound. Be brave if you want independance, and do your own thing.

Good post :thup:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

The previous two Prime Ministers were Scottish.
The make up of the previous cabinets had a healthy dose of Scottish Ministers.
The Govt. spending per head is only greater in Northern Ireland.

And you think Westminster is anti-Scottish? There are two very different political parties in power, north and south of the Border, and I can understand them not getting on but I don't see separate UK laws being applied to different countries. The chip on some shoulders, about perceived unfairness and lack of respect, is laughable.

Can Scotland stand on its own two feet? Of course it can, and would probably do a damn good job of it too. But if you want independance, be independant. There's too much cake and eat it being bandied about. - you want independance but want the pound, and you'll trade Faslane to keep the pound. Be brave if you want independance, and do your own thing.

And rightly so, given we contribute more than pretty much everyone else.

But I do agree with this, I'd dump Falsane,The £,Euro and NATO.

There you go again putting words peoples mouths. You know well that he was not suggesting Scotts are terrorists!!

Would appear I'm not the only one to draw the conclusion, but we'll never know what he meant in truth.

it's one 't' in Scot btw.