Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

You will give us 10 years to move them, we will say thank you very much, you then come under the protection of the NATO umbrella. We fail to make the 10 year deadline.

Trident is going to be sooooooooo yesterdays man in 10 years.
Might as well bring back Polaris.

 

[Val]

You could be correct,and we might be going round in circles here, but what if Scotland does vote YES and demands that, given rUK isn't prepared to enter into a currency union, All nuclear submarines,missiles and warheads are removed from Scotland prior to our independence day, what does rUK do?

The actual subs can go to various places, the missiles could maybe be sent back to their owners in America, the warheads sent to Aldermaston, but where to put them altogether?There is no alternative.The suggestion that rUK will say 'tough, we're staying at Faslane' isn't realistic, you can't use American or French bases for various legalities, it will take too long to build an replacement so if rUK play hard ball with iScotland, you may well have to be without a nuclear deterrent.

You are wrongly assuming the SNP will be the majority party in power to do this though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Val, who else would there be?
Labour is bound to make a comeback but I think it may be a few years and a change of leadership before they overtake the SNP.
The other parties are dead in the water with the exception of the Greens.

 

[CMAC]

I know for a fact that no political party in iScotland will ever support the continuing placement of trident in the clyde, for the simple reason they'd never win an election.No matter what folks political leanings are, the majority do not want to fund/replace/house wmd's in Scotland.

care to share the source and evidence?

A nuclear free iScotland is a big vote winner in Scotland. It may not be the case in England but no matter how many times you deny it the Scottish voters cannot be ignored.

For the SNP it would be akin to Gleggs university fees pledge.

in your opinion

 

[Imurg]

A nuclear free iScotland is a big vote winner in Scotland.

So the Referendum is cut and dried then.........if the Yes campaign has this as part of their manifesto, why isn't the Yes vote walking it in the opinion polls?

 

[SocketRocket]

Anyone watch the Panorama benefits programme on London.
That was interesting, one guy was getting £44k a year to help pay for his accommodation and the upkeep of his 7 children.
He was working and earning £150pw
The council concerned were shifting all the poor folk out of London and sending them to Birmingham.

Guess he is still a lot better off than he was in Palastine with his seven kids under nine years of age. Brent council were trying to help these people to find housing that they could afford to pay for with their benefits.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh. And I will also stand on my own two feet thanks. But I like to think I have enough humanity to worry about others who might be affected by the cuts you mention.

Why do you insist in putting words into my mouth. I have every sympathy with people who are genuinely in hard times and trying to improve, also for those that are not able to work due to genuine dissability. I happen to detest people that are spending other peoples money rather than work for it themselves.

Do you think this is a harsh view? Or, are you just blinded by your own prejudice on anything I post.

 

[Old Skier]

Trident is going to be sooooooooo yesterdays man in 10 years.
Might as well bring back Polaris.

Is so yesterday today but I don't want to be near by when it goes bang.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is so yesterday today but I don't want to be near by when it goes bang.

If you have nuclear weapons you have to be prepared to use them.

Towards the end of WW2 my father was one of the first across the Rhine, German border and to free the concentration camps. He told me that nuclear weapons will never be used again as no one will win that conflict. I tend to go along with his thinking.

 

[Old Skier]

If you have nuclear weapons you have to be prepared to use them.

Towards the end of WW2 my father was one of the first across the Rhine, German border and to free the concentration camps. He told me that nuclear weapons will never be used again as no one will win that conflict. I tend to go along with his thinking.

Not wishing to go to far off track, that was my argument in a debate with ex mil and some MPs. If your not going to use them don't have them. Retaliatory strikes are useless as by then it's to late.
However on a Faulder Gap ex the sceptic in charge really bothered us when he said, "don't worry, if the Russkies come through there we will send in a tac nuc to stop them"' filled us with a lovely warm feeling as that was our war position.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

A view from Washington-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...fb39f3-96d2-487a-ab4f-cde8de596424_story.html

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Might be of interest to some, Salmonds full speech from yesterday

[video=youtube;vqZDF_ycRAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZDF_ycRAE[/video]

 

[Old Skier]

You do know there is golf on the telly don't you.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

You do know there is golf on the telly don't you.

My lappie on my lap, in the parlour with TV on, beer in hand.

multi tasking dear boy, multi tasking.

 

[Val]

Val, who else would there be?
Labour is bound to make a comeback but I think it may be a few years and a change of leadership before they overtake the SNP.
The other parties are dead in the water with the exception of the Greens.

My point is not a winning party but a majority, only a majority can ensure their own policies and decisions get through. It was close last time out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My lappie on my lap, in the parlour with TV on, beer in hand.

multi tasking dear boy, multi tasking.

You have a parlour, how posh, surprised your are not a Tory!

 

[williamalex1]

You have a parlour, how posh, surprised your are not a Tory!

Reminds me of the spider speaking to the fly

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

On Salmond's conference speech - I heard more than once radio/TV presenters (always English - I am sorry but true) on UK-wide broadcasts/programmes asking if Salmond not now getting desperate in seeking cross-party support for a YES vote as if this was a new tactic - clearly not really appreciating that the YES campaign has been cross-party from the outset.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The SNP and SLP are natural bedsharers.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Angus Robertson's comments at the end make interesting reading.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27030447