Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

A deal will be made between Scotland , UK and US to keep Trident exactly where it is - what that deal will be who knows but a deal will be made. It will be a very "lucrative deal financially" for Scotland and they will stay there. Your newly elected government ( if there is a yes ) will do what is needed to get security financially.

There could be a five year deal, maybe 10, allowing rUK to build an alternative, but no way, under any circumstances, will there be long term nuclear warheads in iScotland,no way.And your suggestion we'll be bullied into it is tyrannical and laughable at the same time.

All of that depends on how Westminster approaches the negotiations with Holyrood, we could still say nope, remove them please and they will have to be removed,no matter what you think.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There could be a five year deal, maybe 10, allowing rUK to build an alternative, but no way, under any circumstances, will there be long term nuclear warheads in iScotland,no way.And your suggestion we'll be bullied into it is tyrannical and laughable at the same time.

All of that depends on how Westminster approaches the negotiations with Holyrood, we could still say nope, remove them please and they will have to be removed,no matter what you think.

UK gets bullied as it is because we need the US - they are massively important financially important to Europe

Are you suggesting that little old Scotland would be able to say no to them ?!

Dreamworld - proper dream world

If the US and NATO Offered billions to the Scottish economy in terms of long term deals to keep trident where it is -do you really believe your government will say - Nope - we don't need your backing or your money and we are going to be wonderful all on our own. Are you voting in Snow White ?

How many American backed companies currently reside in Scotland providing valuable employment and valuable finance ?

Do you really believe you won't need the US ?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

UK gets bullied as it is because we need the US - they are massively important financially important to Europe

Are you suggesting that little old Scotland would be able to say no to them ?!

Dreamworld - proper dream world

If the US and NATO Offered billions to the Scottish economy in terms of long term deals to keep trident where it is -do you really believe your government will say - Nope - we don't need your backing or your money and we are going to be wonderful all on our own. Are you voting in Snow White ?

How many American backed companies currently reside in Scotland providing valuable employment and valuable finance ?

Do you really believe you won't need the US ?

I'm not sure I've ever said that.iScotland would be wanting to have good relations with any international partner,America,BRIC countries,Europe,Asia etc.We'll not be bribed,though, or have you never met a Scottish person?Tell us we can't do something and the likleihood is we'll try even harder to do just that.The world doesn't begin and end with America.

anyway, we'll see soon enough.

 

[Imurg]

There could be a five year deal, maybe 10, allowing rUK to build an alternative, but no way, under any circumstances, will there be long term nuclear warheads in iScotland,no way.And your suggestion we'll be bullied into it is tyrannical and laughable at the same time.

All of that depends on how Westminster approaches the negotiations with Holyrood, we could still say nope, remove them please and they will have to be removed,no matter what you think.

With the greatest of respect for your opinion, to say, with the absolute certainty this post implies, what a Government containing Politicians of any colour will or will not do is absurd. This whole thread contains speculation, nothing more. To be able to say this or that will happen means you must have a crystal ball.....There is no certainty.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

With the greatest of respect for your opinion, to say, with the absolute certainty this post implies, what a Government containing Politicians of any colour will or will not do is absurd. This whole thread contains speculation, nothing more. To be able to say this or that will happen means you must have a crystal ball.....There is no certainty.

I know for a fact that no political party in iScotland will ever support the continuing placement of trident in the clyde, for the simple reason they'd never win an election.No matter what folks political leanings are, the majority do not want to fund/replace/house wmd's in Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know for a fact that no political party in iScotland will ever support the continuing placement of trident in the clyde, for the simple reason they'd never win an election.No matter what folks political leanings are, the majority do not want to fund/replace/house wmd's in Scotland.

What about the Scottish people whose jobs and livelihood relies on Faslane ?

And what people want will suddenly change when money comes into it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not sure I've ever said that.iScotland would be wanting to have good relations with any international partner,America,BRIC countries,Europe,Asia etc.We'll not be bribed,though, or have you never met a Scottish person?Tell us we can't do something and the likleihood is we'll try even harder to do just that.The world doesn't begin and end with America.

anyway, we'll see soon enough.

You will have little standing in the world against the bigger powerful nations - you go against them and you get cut off

They hold the financial key - it would be naive to think different

 

[Adi2Dassler]

What about the Scottish people whose jobs and livelihood relies on Faslane ?

And what people want will suddenly change when money comes into it

Faslane will be the base for whatever military Scotland has post yes.

 

[stevie_r]

All of that depends on how Westminster approaches the negotiations with Holyrood, we could still say nope, remove them please and they will have to be removed,no matter what you think.

Really? and who is going to enforce that removal?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Really? and who is going to enforce that removal?

The A Team or The Avengers.

There you go, a reply at the same level as the question.

 

[stevie_r]

The A Team or The Avengers.

There you go, a reply at the same level as the question.

Which was exactly at the same level as your point, try a sensible answer if you can think of one.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Faslane will be the base for whatever military Scotland has post yes.

Is this the military Salmond is dreaming off in his white paper ?

A lot of people in Faslane specialise in Subs - are you getting subs now ? Will you pay the same as the UK military ?

So will that military be part of NATO ?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Which was exactly at the same level as your point, try a sensible answer if you can think of one.

The UN,it's kinda their job.

 

[stevie_r]

The UN,it's kinda their job.

Ah, the UN, that fairly toothless organisation, a lot of well intentioned hot air and that's about it. Remind me, in the event of needing military muscle, who do they tend to turn to?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Ah, the UN, that fairly toothless organisation, a lot of well intentioned hot air and that's about it. Remind me, in the event of needing military muscle, who do they tend to turn to?

Each and every country that is a member, UN peace keeping forces are made up of many countries.Are you suggesting military muscle would be needed to keep iScotland a nuclear haven?
http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/

 

[stevie_r]

Each and every country that is a member, UN peace keeping forces are made up of many countries.Are you suggesting military muscle would be needed to keep iScotland a nuclear haven?
http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/

I imagine the conversation would go something like this:

Fat Eck: Can you remove your nukes please?
HMG: when we are ready.
Fat Eck: We want them gone immediately.
HMG: When we are ready.
UN: Fat Eck wants you to move your nukes.
HMG: Yes and we have told him they will be moved when we are ready.
UN: Oh, ok then

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Really? and who is going to enforce that removal?

We will send in our one man terrorist buster guy from Glasgow airport!

A nuclear free iScotland is a big vote winner in Scotland. It may not be the case in England but no matter how many times you deny it the Scottish voters cannot be ignored.

For the SNP it would be akin to Gleggs university fees pledge.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There you go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26988395

No going back

 

[Old Skier]

We won't leave ourselves without a nuclear deterrent - think that's going to be a guarentee

I agree, but all for the wrong reasons.

 

[Old Skier]

There you go

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26988395

No going back

You will give us 10 years to move them, we will say thank you very much, you then come under the protection of the NATO umbrella. We fail to make the 10 year deadline.