Old Skier
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As we do, although I don't agree with it do pray tell why it should be any different for Scotland.
Scotland Debate
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As we do, although I don't agree with it do pray tell why it should be any different for Scotland.
NWJocko
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Do you whine on and on about this at every UK general election where anyone in the "motley crew" on the UK electoral roll can vote on the future of your country?!
Painful.
Adi2Dassler
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There is no defeating the present UK duopoly of New Labour/Conservative, two sides of the same coin.They're effectively the same party now, like The Republican/Democrat parties in America.Lib Dem have destroyed themselves and are being replaced by UKIP as the king makers in any close race.Scottish politics are centre left, always have been always will be...English politics have moved to centre right, so there is a direct and fundamental difference between the two countries at the ballot box.
This is an opportunity for Scottish Labour to retake the centre left from The SNP, who are a wee bit further to the right imo.A Scottish Socialist party,Green Party,Scottish Conservative party, along with Proportional Representation will reflect Scottish society far better than anything Westminster could offer.And while that may sound selfish given your strength in numbers ( and it is selfish) suggestion, this is an opportunity to re-shape Scotland into a country with problems, but ones we can address according to our needs, not those imposed on us by Westminster.
Adi2Dassler
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would you prefer it if only those born in Scotland get a vote?What about the Indian guy with the phone shop on Great Junction Street who's lived here for over 30 years and invested his life,time and money into Scotland?Or the Polish guy who came 3 years ago and now has a couple of hair salons?What about the american moved here by IBM 8 years ago who married a Scottish lassie he married?
Or the Scottish guy who moved for a job in England 15 years ago and stayed, the Scottish lad who went to Oz on the £10 ticket in the 60's or the woman who met a Canadian guy in the 80's and moved to Toronto?
The folk who have made a concious decision to invest emotionally and financially in Scotland should have a say.
Old Skier
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As the EU are making the majority of current legislation you are about to jump out of the frying pan into the fire IMHO. Or, perhaps you might not join as it's not clear what yer man wants yet.
ger147
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Please, not this again!! SILH will never accept it so please don't try and prove it to him
NWJocko
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SiLH. Please read and digest this and never mention the fact you can't vote in a country you're not on the elctoral roll in as "wrong" ever again.
Old Skier
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Which by default includes the Rest of the UK.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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No - because I can look to vote out my MP if I don't like him, and if I want a say in the day to day running of affairs in Scotland I can move back to Scotland and vote in the Holyrood elections (at at least one more Westminster election). Results of General elections are temporary arrangements - the result of the this referendum is permanent - and should be more than just whether Jo Bloggs feels a little bit better or worse off following the decision.
Old Skier
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This is better than watching the cricket.
NWJocko
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The bit in bold.
Say no more.
You're arrogant and patronising view of the "motley crew" who are resident in "your country" while you choose to live elsewhere is almost laughable.
Adi2Dassler
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To a degree there is a grain of truth in this, but if so, why doesn't Cameron want to debate Salmond?And if everyone in The UK got a vote, Scotland would be removed from the union tomorrow, wouldn't you agree?
Old Skier
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Cameron debating with Salmond would be a major political mistake. As you point out, the majority of you are left of centre and would vote Yes to spite yourself if a Tory Leader told them in a debate to vote No. Same principle as supporting the other side whenever England play in any sport.
Yep, Salmond would have secured your Yes vote by giving the vote to all UK but that is because of the attitude of the noisey minority of Scots that make it very clear that they hate everyone south of the wall.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Yup, so taking everything into consideration, it has to be only a vote for those who live here.There are bigots and dafties on both sides, cybernats and projectfear merchants, I'm hoping they're drowned out by the sensible ( and pro indy
) majority...I'm expecting the biggest ever turnout in September.stevie_r
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Please, not this again!! SILH will never accept it so please don't try and prove it to him
I've already said that I accept that the decision is made and that is that. Doesn't mean to say that I can't disagree with it. A way could have been found to take into account the views of the Scottish diaspora - however that would have been defined - it could have been done.
I might be more inclined to make additional emotional and financial investment in Scotland (I already do that even although I don't live there) by moving to Scotland following a YES vote. In the event of a NO vote I may be less inclined - but I'd still like,k to do that. And in saying that I am not suggesting I favour the YES camp or the NO camp - a move home following a YES would be on basis of wishing to contribute to making an independent Scotland work and a success.
But at least I won't be disappearing from Scotland in the weeks or months following a vote as many who can vote will do.
Anyway - makes no difference - I don't get a vote and that I accept. I will simply discussion YES/NO with those who do and maybe influence them one way or the other.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
It was a throw away generalism that I regret using as I didn't mean it in reference to the voting constituency as a whole. But the bottom line is that I do not think it correct that the decision is in the hands of those who just so happen to be living in Scotland at the moment. That some of the voting constituency are a motley bunch - well - you might disagree - but many will certainly be itinerant.
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I would disagree that Scotland would be removed from the Union
I think most would realise the value of a joint union - yes there would be the odd "anti scottish" just as there would be the odd "anti English" votes but think you would be pleasantly surprised
I agree with the spending imbalance - but it's the same for most of England - Cameron and his cronies are looking after themselves and the south - the rich are getting richer , they are trying to get London even richer
I agree the HS2 is a waste of money and still hold out hope that it will be shelved.
The Trident - well currently it's an unfortunately needed in the current world and an independent a Scotland wouldn't stop that because whilst it costs to built it's also bringing jobs to the Clyde area. There are lots of areas of spending that need culling to improve lots of other areas. Massive amounts of cuts are being made currently and it's all countries being effected.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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A lot of folk in the rUK are starting to express an opinion on the referendum and it's impact on the union and the rUK - would they therefore not expect their views to be reflected in statements from their MPs or PM?
We in rUK may not get a vote and our individual voice cannot be heard in Scotland. But that is why we have MPs - to listen to, reflect upon and represent the views of their constituents - and if not MP to Scotland then MP to PM and PM to Scotland. Silence is telling.
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There is currently no such place as rUK - it's called England or Wales.
