Scotland Debate

[ger147]

But at least I won't be disappearing from Scotland in the weeks or months following a vote...

You did that decades ago.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

But at least I won't be disappearing from Scotland in the weeks or months following a vote as many who can vote will do.

Hate to be pedantic, but you can't "disappear from Scotland" if you don't live there

 

[NWJocko]

It was a throw away generalism that I regret using as I didn't mean it in reference to the voting constituency as a whole. But the bottom line is that I do not think it correct that the decision is in the hands of those who just so happen to be living in Scotland at the moment. That some of the voting constituency are a motley bunch - well - you might disagree - but many will certainly be itinerant.

You seem to have an inbuilt belief that you are better placed to make a decision on the future of a country you have chosen to leave and not reside in than those who live and contribute to society there every day which is a frighteningly arrogant point of view.

I am a very proud Scot living in England and I have no place voting in the referendum. Will I ever live in Scotland again, maybe, but not certain therefore why should I have a say on it's future and a "Joe Bloggs, Motley Crew, Itinerant" (feel free to use another condescending label) who lives/works/owns a business there shouldn't?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You seem to have an inbuilt belief that you are better placed to make a decision on the future of a country you have chosen to leave and not reside in than those who live and contribute to society there every day which is a frighteningly arrogant point of view.

I am a very proud Scot living in England and I have no place voting in the referendum. Will I ever live in Scotland again, maybe, but not certain therefore why should I have a say on it's future and a "Joe Bloggs, Motley Crew, Itinerant" (feel free to use another condescending label) who lives/works/owns a business there shouldn't?

If you could vote - would you like to see a Scotland being Independant ?

 

[ger147]

As for Acceptance...

Acceptance in human psychology is a person's assent to the reality of a situation, recognizing a process or condition (often a negative or uncomfortable situation) without attempting to change it, protest, or exit.

 

[NWJocko]

If you could vote - would you like to see a Scotland being Independant ?

I probably am not as well informed as I should (or would) be were I voting so a little difficult to answer.

Based on what I know, I would vote No. However, in my younger days when I was more nationalistic than realistic I would have voted Yes in a heartbeat. Salmond has been very clever getting the voting age reduced to 16 for this referendum. Somebody else posted something similar earlier in the thread and I'm the same. That goes for 99.9% of my friends I've discussed the issue with (some still in Scotland, some not).

My concern is, as I've stated previously, all we hear from Salmond is what he wants to happen post a Yes vote rather than what he has discussed in detail with Westminster and agreed, in principle, what will happen.

Salmond is probably the best politician by a distance (which probably isn't a recommendation) operating today in the UK which is why Cameron et al are wary of giving him an opportunity for easy posturing.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Hate to be pedantic, but you can't "disappear from Scotland" if you don't live there

Precisely why I can be 100% confident that I won't be disappearing

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You seem to have an inbuilt belief that you are better placed to make a decision on the future of a country you have chosen to leave and not reside in than those who live and contribute to society there every day which is a frighteningly arrogant point of view.

I am a very proud Scot living in England and I have no place voting in the referendum. Will I ever live in Scotland again, maybe, but not certain therefore why should I have a say on it's future and a "Joe Bloggs, Motley Crew, Itinerant" (feel free to use another condescending label) who lives/works/owns a business there shouldn't?

An itenerant worker is one who moves about for work - tell me what about that does not apply to many folk currently living in Scotland.

And I DO NOT feel I am better placed to make a decision - I just would have liked to have been consulted if not involved in some way. Those who live in Scotland at the moment clearly have a more immediate cause for concern or hope than I do given they will be living there following the referendum - and I will not be.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And I do not protest - protest is futile. The decision is made - I accept it - I have simply re-stated my view.

 

[ger147]

And I do not protest - protest is futile. The decision is made - I accept it - I have simply re-stated my view.

Oh I think you do.

 

[NWJocko]

An itenerant worker is one who moves about for work - tell me what about that does not apply to many folk currently living in Scotland.

And I DO NOT feel I am better placed to make a decision - I just would have liked to have been consulted if not involved in some way. Those who live in Scotland at the moment clearly have a more immediate cause for concern or hope than I do given they will be living there following the referendum - and I will not be.

So, as you and I are itinerant workers in England should we not be allowed to vote if there was similar referendum affecting England? Or would you then argue about how unfair that would be?

Consulted!! Ha Ha!! :rofl: Who do you think you are!!? I fear I may have underestimated your sense of self importance previously!!!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

And I DO NOT feel I am better placed to make a decision - I just would have liked to have been consulted if not involved in some way. Those who live in Scotland at the moment clearly have a more immediate cause for concern or hope than I do given they will be living there following the referendum - and I will not be.

Reminds me of the classic Billy Connolly quote about Sean Connery when he was inducting him into the BAFTA Fellowship:

"He towers over Scotland like a collosus....................from the Bahamas"!!

I personally think Scottish Independence is an excellent debate and I can certainly appreciate and respect your views SILH. But I can also see where others are coming from here. At the end of the day the voting rules have been set and all anyone outside Scotland can do is watch what happens.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Consulted!! Ha Ha!! :rofl: Who do you think you are!!? I fear I may have underestimated your sense of self importance previously!!!

I think I am someone who cares about Scotland and it's future. Doesn't sound like you do and don't actually care - well that's your prerogative. But don't go laughing at folk who do care. I say I care - that should be good enough for you.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

At the end of the day the voting rules have been set and all anyone outside Scotland can do is watch what happens.

I KNOW - is nobody actually read that I accept them and that I am simply re-stating my view. But it's a done deal. And that's it. I'm not going to change my view just because it's decided - even though some find it a laughing matter.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think I am someone who cares about Scotland and it's future. Doesn't sound like you do and don't actually care - well that's your prerogative. But don't go laughing at folk who do care. I say I care - that should be good enough for you.

You care that much you don't live there ?

 

[ger147]

I KNOW - is nobody actually read that I accept them and that I am simply re-stating my view. But it's a done deal. And that's it. I'm not going to change my view just because it's decided - even though some find it a laughing matter.

A protest (also called a remonstrance or a remonstration) is an expression of objection by words or by actions to particular events, policies, or situations. Protests can take many different forms; from individual statements to mass demonstrations.

 

[NWJocko]

I think I am someone who cares about Scotland and it's future. Doesn't sound like you do and don't actually care - well that's your prerogative. But don't go laughing at folk who do care. I say I care - that should be good enough for you.

You have absolutely no idea do you?

I care very deeply about Scotland and it's future and would urge every Scotsman/woman to do likewise.

I do not expect to be personally consulted on the future of the country I have chosen to leave though, which you seem to think you have a right to?

I am laughing at your arrogance, not at people who care about Scotland who I will :clap: all day long.

So, please, do not try to fit me into into one of your condescending sterotypes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You care that much you don't live there ?

So what do you want me to do - take my kids out of school and college - change my job and my wife's job? Oh yes - that'll work!

I'm just delighted to hear that everyone who lives in Scotland cares about this and is completely engaged with the debate and that there with be a 100% turnout. Of course they all do - of course there will be - really?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You have absolutely no idea do you?

I care very deeply about Scotland and it's future and would urge every Scotsman/woman to do likewise.

I do not expect to be personally consulted on the future of the country I have chosen to leave though, which you seem to think you have a right to?

I am laughing at your arrogance, not at people who care about Scotland who I will :clap: all day long.

So, please, do not try to fit me into into one of your condescending sterotypes.

Like you are not one...

Enough - can't be bothered.

 

[NWJocko]

Like you are not one...

Excuse me?

One what?