Scotland Debate

[Val]

Thanks for the PR Val :thup:

You're welcome

 

[SocketRocket]

You're welcome

My pleasure.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you tar us all with the same brush?

I do believe the post said "certain people"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Glad to see racism alive and well.

Who are these Jockanese you speak of, where do the come from?

Shocking

Racism ?

Really - which race is it exactly am i showing racism too ?

If you believe that is racism then dont ever go to a military site.

That isnt racism

 

[Val]

Racism ?

Really - which race is it exactly am i showing racism too ?

If you believe that is racism then dont ever go to a military site.

That isnt racism

11 years in the Royal Engineers pal

Who are these Jockanese you speak of?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Racism ? that isnt racism

In your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

11 years in the Royal Engineers pal

Who are these Jockanese you speak of?

That will be Scottish People and a well known banter nickname that I have heard used by a great number of people and taken in the good humour it is meant.

Are you telling me you have never heard it being used and are you going to tell me you have never ever used a humorous phrase to call English/Welsh or Irish people

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In your opinion.

Are a Scotland a race ?

 

[Foxholer]

Are a Scotland a race ?

A slow one?

Or is that being race-ist?

I'll get my coat!

 

[Val]

That will be Scottish People and a well known banter nickname that I have heard used by a great number of people and taken in the good humour it is meant.

Are you telling me you have never heard it being used and are you going to tell me you have never ever used a humorous phrase to call English/Welsh or Irish people

A nickname you say? Nor funny or pleasant

 

[SocketRocket]

Val.

I am not sure if your responses are due to you being a bit thin skinned, naive, genuinely offended or argumentative?

I know full well that you don't like me, that has been documented very clearly on your own web site where I dont have the right of reply but I can get over it. Putting this to one side lets debate this subject with the gloves off please.

When Phil used that term (just as I have) it was a light hearted remark, the type of banter that gets used all over the world between people of different countries. It's not racist and I think you know that, you seem to have not lived a sheltered life and will have experienced and most probably used similar terms yourself. Jocks, Taffs, Micks, Yanks, Kiwis, Frogs, I ties, Canuks, The old enemy, Edwards Army etc, etc. These are not racist terms, to be racist they need to assert a race is somehow inferior, no one has suggested that.

Lets all lighten up a bit and accept that none of it has been meant to create genuine harm to anyone.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A nickname you say? Nor funny or pleasant

Yet never heard anyone ever complain about It before and "take it in the humour it is meant"

As opposed to accuse it of being racist

I guess you think Jock is a racist term as is Taffy or Paddy !!

If you believe it to be racist then I suggest the problem lies with you

I'm actually disgusted and insulted that you insinuated it is racist and that I used a racist term

Believe it's things like that which devalue real racism

 

[Foxholer]

FYI.
From Oxford English (sic) Dictionary...
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Val.

I am not sure if your responses are due to you being a bit thin skinned, naive, genuinely offended or argumentative?

I know full well that you don't like me, that has been documented very clearly on your own web site where I dont have the right of reply but I can get over it. Putting this to one side lets debate this subject with the gloves off please.

When Phil used that term (just as I have) it was a light hearted remark, the type of banter that gets used all over the world between people of different countries. It's not racist and I think you know that, you seem to have not lived a sheltered life and will have experienced and most probably used similar terms yourself. Jocks, Taffs, Micks, Yanks, Kiwis, Frogs, I ties, Canuks, The old enemy, Edwards Army etc, etc. These are not racist terms, to be racist they need to assert a race is somehow inferior, no one has suggested that.

Lets all lighten up a bit and accept that none of it has been meant to create genuine harm to anyone.

Edwards Army seems to be clutching at straws for a term offensive to the English.
Is it because you could not think of one.

 

[stevie_r]

Ding Ding, all aboard the offended bus

 

[Foxholer]

Edwards Army seems to be clutching at straws for a term offensive to the English.
Is it because you could not think of one.

Isn't 'English' enough?

Poms? Pommies?

 

[Val]

Val.

I am not sure if your responses are due to you being a bit thin skinned, naive, genuinely offended or argumentative?

I know full well that you don't like me, that has been documented very clearly on your own web site where I dont have the right of reply but I can get over it. Putting this to one side lets debate this subject with the gloves off please.

When Phil used that term (just as I have) it was a light hearted remark, the type of banter that gets used all over the world between people of different countries. It's not racist and I think you know that, you seem to have not lived a sheltered life and will have experienced and most probably used similar terms yourself. Jocks, Taffs, Micks, Yanks, Kiwis, Frogs, I ties, Canuks, The old enemy, Edwards Army etc, etc. These are not racist terms, to be racist they need to assert a race is somehow inferior, no one has suggested that.

Lets all lighten up a bit and accept that none of it has been meant to create genuine harm to anyone.

Don't flatter yourself Brian, there are a select few I dislike and you are not one if them. I should add you not wanting to come on my website is your choice, I'm not going to promote it here those who want to find it can do (mods, I'm just replying to SR's comment no promoting)

As for the term Jockanese, I'm not offended I just find it patronising, why not just say Scottish?

Back on topic, this topic is not about me or racism.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Edwards Army seems to be clutching at straws for a term offensive to the English.
Is it because you could not think of one.

I'm sure the Jocks have come up with plenty of the years

 

[SocketRocket]

Edwards Army seems to be clutching at straws for a term offensive to the English.
Is it because you could not think of one.

OK, how about, Scousers, Geordies, Cockney, Janners, Brummies, Yam Yams. Are these all racist terms?

 

[stevie_r]

Edwards Army seems to be clutching at straws for a term offensive to the English.
Is it because you could not think of one.

I was once called a white paki up here