Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Don't worry, I wasn't saying they were biased, I was saying you were. The implication from your post coming across that the Scottish political media are much sharper than the "usual national suspects".

It wasn't an overly serious reflection, just a throw away jokey comment.

I value and trust Brian Taylor's comments and assessment of the situation.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

And just for the hell of it, here's who survation carried out the poll for:

http://fivemillionquestions.org/about

http://www.betternation.org/raison-detre-2/

I know of one the guys who is involved with 5 million q's...David Torrance, who as much as he'll denying it, him being a journalist, is very much a NO vote.Good guy and his work is excellent, which leads me to think if they've commissioned this poll, it should show a NO lead...if it doesn't, I'll be surprised/happy/terrified.

 

[delc]

Miliband coming to Lanarkshire? I think I'll play golf today...

Ed Milliband is a total loser anyway. He looks like Wallace as in "Wallace and Gromit", has a stupid voice and puts forward stupid arguments. Why the Trade Unions voted him in a leader of the Labour Party is beyond me, unless they have a death wish!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I value and trust Brian Taylor's comments and assessment of the situation.

Both Brian Taylor and James Cook on BBC, along with Bernard Ponsonby and John Mackay on STV have been pretty fair over the last 18 months.The same CANNOT be said about the BBC as an entity,and you can see why given their demise in Scotland looks nearer every day, but inexcusable as reporters.STV have been significantly better.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Both Brian Taylor and James Cook on BBC, along with Bernard Ponsonby and John Mackay on STV have been pretty fair over the last 18 months.The same CANNOT be said about the BBC as an entity,and you can see why given their demise in Scotland looks nearer every day, but inexcusable as reporters.STV have been significantly better.

Dead right...as I said earlier they make the Westminster correspondents look like totally under prepared one trick ponies.

Andrew Marr's 'we' [meaning Bitter Together] in conversation with Salmond being a classic blunder.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think you will find that two of The Three Amegos reputations are ruined long before the debate started.
If Yes win Cameron will have to resign and throw further confusion on the 2016 rUK elections.

Maybe Amegos - but us they head to Scotland to enter the fray (the fray that they swore that they'd keep out of as vote being solely a matter for Scotland and Holyrood politicians) the three amegos become perhaps the three mousketeers.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Dead right...as I said earlier they make the Westminster correspondents look like totally under prepared one trick ponies.

Andrew Marr's 'we' [meaning Bitter Together] in conversation with Salmond being a classic blunder.

It would be like sending Cook/Mackay down to cover the London Mayoral election with three days notice and no previous interest.Anyone looking for the right info from the media should be looking at the ones who have covered it from before the ref debate started 2 years ago!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Both Brian Taylor and James Cook on BBC, along with Bernard Ponsonby and John Mackay on STV have been pretty fair over the last 18 months.The same CANNOT be said about the BBC as an entity,and you can see why given their demise in Scotland looks nearer every day, but inexcusable as reporters.STV have been significantly better.

Will have to watch more STV. I've now set up STV as an additional channel on my didbox but haven't been watching so far (just habit I guess as I never used to watch any STV other than Cartoon Cavalcade and Scotsport)

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Will have to watch more STV. I've now set up STV as an additional channel on my didbox but haven't been watching so far (just habit I guess as I never used to watch any STV other than Cartoon Cavalcade and Scotsport)

Watch the last two nights Scotland 2014 10.30pm...Ponsonby really gives it to both Salmond and Darling.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm thinking that this additional powers initiative may well have been planned all along as a last week 'killer blow' to the YES campaign. But that was on the assumption that NO would be well ahead and this would be sufficient to sway undecided the way of a NO - just in case. The fact that details would be sketchy would not really matter as NO would be a certainty.

But as we are neck and neck according to the polls the sketchiness of the plans actually matters. I do think however that many undecided will be swayed to vote NO by it - and probably enough to swing the whole thing to NO. It just depends how BT and Westminsters guys and gals play it over the next few days. Get it right - and with Gordie Broons support hitting into Labour heartlands - they may well save the Union. But they will have set up a constitutional crisis and mess about 'what next?' for Scotland and the regions.

 

[Foxholer]

Ed Milliband is a total loser anyway. He looks like Wallace as in "Wallace and Gromit", has a stupid voice and puts forward stupid arguments. Why the Trade Unions voted him in a leader of the Labour Party is beyond me, unless they have a death wish!

From an apparent expert on the subject!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

From an apparent expert on the subject!

You don't have to be an expert to have an opinion. It might matter if our opinions actually made any difference - but in general they don't. They just remain opinions wafting about and then disappearing like mist on a summer's day.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Watch the last two nights Scotland 2014 10.30pm...Ponsonby really gives it to both Salmond and Darling.

Yes - I watch Scotland 2014 every night - essential viewing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It would be like sending Cook/Mackay down to cover the London Mayoral election with three days notice and no previous interest.Anyone looking for the right info from the media should be looking at the ones who have covered it from before the ref debate started 2 years ago!

Social media and the radio tell a totally different story from the newspapers and BBC.

No vote being slaughtered on the phone in's at present.
Even some of the No voters admit they have lost it.
Trident still high on the agenda and a 'fairer society'.

Thinking differently........one woman suggested turning the Barnett Formula on it's head.
Scotland keeps all of it's earned income/wealth /tax and sends an agreed proportion down to Westminster.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Social media and the radio tell a totally different story from the newspapers and BBC.

No vote being slaughtered on the phone in's at present.
Even some of the No voters admit they have lost it.
Trident still high on the agenda and a 'fairer society'.

There's certainly a lot of "yes" triumphalism going on. Prematurely, in my opinion.

Yes votes are much more vocal. They want independence, it's an exciting time for them, they are fired up... brave new world etc etc... Most of them talking absolute rubbish, perfectly conned by the nats.

Most "nos" are fed up with the whole thing. We're broadly happy with our constitutional set up and believe things can change for the better within the existing UK framework. When we do chime in, we are derided for being "negative" or "feart" or "unpatriotic" or "in bed with the tories" - all nonsense. The vast majority of no voters have their heads down quietly waiting to finally put the whole nonsense to bed next week.

 

[AlexDarling]

I have followed this discussion from afar and noticed only a few highly 'vocal' individuals who offer not many facts and certainly try for the 'ridicule the opposition' tactic. Quite a cheap ploy but I think most people see through the belittling.

I find it rather sad that so many Scots have been duped into believing total independence is a good thing by a man who is clearly out for his own selfish agenda.

I am fully behind greater powers and control for Scotland but it's being proferred the wrong way. Breaking us up is not the way to mend a faulty system, working together for the better good is the right way for the UK and Europe in the long run.

heres an interesting article in the Telegraph from Monday about the deceit of Alex Salmonds YES campaign.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/big-deceit-heart-alex-salmond-191955797.html


oh, and I do play golf, very well if I say so myself. But the referendum is taking up all my spare time right now.

 

[AlexDarling]

There's certainly a lot of "yes" triumphalism going on. Prematurely, in my opinion.

Yes votes are much more vocal. They want independence, it's an exciting time for them, they are fired up... brave new world etc etc... Most of them talking absolute rubbish, perfectly conned by the nats.

Most "nos" are fed up with the whole thing. We're broadly happy with our constitutional set up and believe things can change for the better within the existing UK framework. When we do chime in, we are derided for being "negative" or "feart" or "unpatriotic" or "in bed with the tories" - all nonsense. The vast majority of no voters have their heads down quietly waiting to finally put the whole nonsense to bed next week.

you sir, speak sense. Many of your posts have cut through the swaggerings of the yes campaign despite the conjecturing and supposition they argue with. I salute you.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Most "nos" are fed up with the whole thing. We're broadly happy with our constitutional set up and believe things can change for the better within the existing UK framework. When we do chime in, we are derided for being "negative" or "feart" or "unpatriotic" or "in bed with the tories" - all nonsense. The vast majority of no voters have their heads down quietly waiting to finally put the whole nonsense to bed next week.

A degree of truth in here, along with a degree of myth.

Point 1: you are in bed with the tories, no matter how unpalatable some find that.That's a fact.
Point 2 :The entire basis of BT is founded in 'project fear', a name they gave it themselves.It's fairly obvious that up until recently the BT mantra has been negative,.No one can dispute that.
Point 3: Unpatriotic.Only eedjits use that, like eedjits use blood and sand and nazism in reference to nationalism
Point 4: I think there is a degree of being embarrassed to vote no.Kinda like not being invited to a aprty then saying you had other plans anyway...a no voter gave me that line btw, he's still voting no.
Point 5: you have no constitution, no on ein The UK does, and thats kinda one of the points to voting YES.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

you sir, speak sense.

You may want to reassess that "sir" I think AD!

 

[FairwayDodger]

you sir, speak sense. Many of your posts have cut through the swaggerings of the yes campaign despite the conjecturing and supposition they argue with. I salute you.

Thank you, my good lady.