Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

That goes for most women doesn't it?

I rarely come out winning against the wife

Ha! Very True.

Dissapointed in milliband, though.If these guys are gonna come to Scotland and engage, don;t just do it from the safety of some controlled environment, debate the bloody thing properly.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I seriously doubt there is one politician in either parliament who could best wee Nicola in an argument, she's some lady.

In today's parlance she would certainly own any opponent in the referendum debate. An Irish female colleague of mine (who lives in England) said she really wished wee Nicola could be head-hunted by Westminster - she a big admirer of your Nicola.

 

[One Planer]

Ha! Very True.

Dissapointed in milliband, though.If these guys are gonna come to Scotland and engage, don;t just do it from the safety of some controlled environment, debate the bloody thing properly.

But this goes back to what Greg (GB72) was saying on the England thread.

The whole essence of what independence means has got lost in the petty political bickering and point scoring.

I don't see a debate between the two being any different.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I get the feeling that a lot of the electorate have made up their mind and anything BT say or is said on their behalf will fall on deaf ears of YES and confirm view of NO.

The chance they have for BT are clearly the undecideds and soft-YESers. But Miliband, Cameron and Clegg need to get out there in amongst them, and stir it up; if necessary antagonise YES support - really wind them up; get lots of noise and generate hostility from YES support. Such an 'atmosphere' might cause sufficient soft YES and undecideds to go NO - and save The Union.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think the timetable was to have the powers and timeline to deliver defined 25th January 2015 as can't see how they could actually get the bills through parliament. Especially as English, Welsh and NOI MPs will demand a say both for what they want Scotland to get and what they want to change for their countries, regions and cities. Maybe you can deliver additional Scottish powers independent of any considerations on what might be reqiured or happen beyond Scotland's border - but I just can't see it.

Also the fact that it is clear and 'admitted' that the government has agreed with Labour and Lib Dems to provide the additional powers I then do not really understand how this is not a de facto government statement of offer - and so something that breaks the purdah rules. Anyway that's for them to justify,

My first thought was that The Three Amegos/Musketeers had broken the Purdah rules.
I was genuinely surprised to find out that the joint three Westminster party statement had not.
They must have sailed close to the wind though. Slick lawyer stuff.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ependence-better-together-campaign-new-advert

My daughter told me this Better Together advert convinced many Scots women to vote yes.

 

[FairwayDodger]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ependence-better-together-campaign-new-advert

My daughter told me this Better Together advert convinced many Scots women to vote yes.

I read lots of abuse about this on social media and assumed it must be awful. I watched it and it isn't actually, just more smoke getting chucked up by "yes" folk rather than actually engage on the issues. The questions the woman in it is asking are being asked throughout the country (and not answered).

Yes mob jumped on the fact that the woman in it is undecided and her husband has made up his mind. Typical of the "debate" shooting arrows at BT politicians and adverts rather than talk about the issues.

 

[User62651]

I did watch that to see what the fuss was about and I think the main issue was that women found it mildly offensive to be portrayed like 1950's housewives. It is also fairly negative. In contrast the Yes video with the young girl looking to the future may be a bit sicky sweet and cliched but its positive. NO campaign have played this referendum poorly, leaning too much on fear and not on what makes the UK good to be part of. They may have time yet but sending 3 political enemies up from England, 2 of whom are fairly toothless along with a failure of a leader in Brown coming out of the shadows and acting 'united' is not helping BT...imo.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I read lots of abuse about this on social media and assumed it must be awful. I watched it and it isn't actually, just more smoke getting chucked up by "yes" folk rather than actually engage on the issues. The questions the woman in it is asking are being asked throughout the country (and not answered).

Yes mob jumped on the fact that the woman in it is undecided and her husband has made up his mind. Typical of the "debate" shooting arrows at BT politicians and adverts rather than talk about the issues.

The whole tone of it and language used is not right. I can see why some folks didn't like it. The questions asked are valid but the 'well I've now spent 2minutes thinking about it - all the time I have to spend - and I've made up my mind - so on with the more important matters to me' is what is a bit odd.

 

[Old Skier]

Scotland tonight asked Nicola Sturgeon to debate Ed Milliband tonight, she said aye, he said No Thanks.

why would he do that?

Because he is the leader of his party and she is someone down the lower order of the nationalists.

So No voters are in bed with the Tory's then it looks like the Yes campaign are in bed with the SNP.

No that cannot be right, the yes guys, that's those that live anywhere including the odd one who may live in Scotland say on here they arnt SNP supporters.

 

[FairwayDodger]

The whole tone of it and language used is not right. I can see why some folks didn't like it. The questions asked are valid but the 'well I've now spent 2minutes thinking about it - all the time I have to spend - and I've made up my mind - so on with the more important matters to me' is what is a bit odd.

Oh yes, it's not great at all but the mock outrage it generated just shows how desperate the nats are to avoid answering the genuine questions that scots up and down the country are asking.

 

[One Planer]

Sky news reporting latest polls show a swing to the No camp.

6 point lead apparently.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Sky news reporting latest polls show a swing to the No camp.

6 point lead apparently.

Polls are fluctuating, it's hard to predict, going down to the wire in the only poll that counts.

Still, well done the three "amigos"

 

[One Planer]

Polls are fluctuating, it's hard to predict, going down to the wire in the only poll that counts.

Still, well done the three "amigos"

Oh I expect it to narrow again for sure.

I wonder if Salmomd is reviewing his comments about 'panic' right now.

The visit appears to have had the desired effect.

 

[ger147]

Oh I expect it to narrow again for sure.

I wonder if Salmomd is reviewing his comments about 'panic' right now.

The visit appears to have had the desired effect.

The Survation poll published today was conducted before today's visit by Cameron, Miliband and Clegg.

 

[Dodger]

It's not only the English BC that is talking tripe but Jackie Bird got in on the scaremongering act tonight.

Disgraceful stuff but a tactic that seems very prevalent by the corporation............anyone would think that certain Parties have a say in what is broadcast.......

[video=youtube;WY64-t3QbcA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY64-t3QbcA[/video]

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I believe i mentioned before about the Islands wanting independence themselves, and was shot down.

This backs me up a little, and if true, is a big risk post YES?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-tell-Alex-Salmond-We-might-stay-with-UK.html

 

[Doon frae Troon]

RBS brass plate moving to London, not really a surprise.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Oh yes, it's not great at all but the mock outrage it generated just shows how desperate the nats are to avoid answering the genuine questions that scots up and down the country are asking.

I didn't find it any anyway offensive or hugely annoying - just odd. And I detest confected outrage (similar to mock outrage as you say) over things like this.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

RBS brass plate moving to London, not really a surprise.

We're pretty cheesed off with RBS NatWest at the moment and thinking of taking our Bank Account elsewhere in any case. Notwithstanding any rights or wrongs financially on the RBS intentions - still feels to me that they are abandoning Scotland. Well - that's up to them I suppose. Unless of course it matters diddly-squat. After all - I wouldn't have thought RBS has a big safe in that building in Edinburgh where they keep all my money.