Scotland Debate

[JT77]

Have read some of what's being said and have followed a little so apologies if this has been asked.

Have the Scottish public been given enough information and time to make a valid choice on the future of their nation?

It is a massive decision to undertake for a one off vote and all I have seemed to hear about it the currency union.
Have the sides given any solid policies or guarantees? I know mr salmond has his white paper but does that have any real substance or is it just ideals? Has he outlined how the health of the nation will be maintained or the education systems? Policing, armed forces?
If I was voting I would want how these are being funded and what actual plans are in place to make sure they happen. I would also like to know what structure my future government would undertake and their salary expectations. And I'm sure many more things too.

As I said I'm only an outsider looking in, not sure what affect it will have on me if any and apologies if this has been covered.

 

[Dodger]

I know that 7k Scotland fans on the Don Revie in Dortmund over the weekend cannot be taken as a straw poll but from what I seen the huge,huge majority there were YES.

The tide has and is turning.

 

[JT77]

As a jovial aside dodger the English fans were singing that they too were to vote yes at last nights game

 

[Dodger]

As a jovial aside dodger the English fans were singing that they too were to vote yes at last nights game

All the more reason to say Aye.

Germans made me laugh at the weekend with "We hate England more than you".

 

[williamalex1]

I know that 7k Scotland fans on the Don Revie in Dortmund over the weekend cannot be taken as a straw poll but from what I seen the huge,huge majority there were YES.

The tide has and is turning.

Ja Jawohl

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Ja Jawohl

We We Weeeeeeeeeeeee oui.

 

[williamalex1]

We We Weeeeeeeeeeeee

No doon yer kegs again i hope.:rofl:

 

[Val]

I know that 7k Scotland fans on the Don Revie in Dortmund over the weekend cannot be taken as a straw poll but from what I seen the huge,huge majority there were YES.

The tide has and is turning.

It sure is unfortunately

 

[ColchesterFC]

I've managed to avoid commenting on this thread so far and so would like to congratulate everyone on getting to over 200 pages on a highly emotive subject without the thread being closed down by the Mods.

I don't believe that whatever the outcome of the vote my life will change that much. But............

The more I hear from the politicians the more I hope that there is a YES vote. This isn't because I've listened to all the debates and have come to a conclusion or for any kind of personal or political reason other than the fact that I don't really like politicians and whatever happens after a YES vote there will be a lot of politicians with egg on their faces.

Without getting into each side's reasoning too much it seems to me that in the event of a YES vote Alex Salmond has said that there will be unicorns galloping through the Highlands farting free money for all. And the Better Together campaign have said that if the Scots vote YES everyone will immediately become poor and will all die of starvation within 15 minutes.

I'd like to see a YES vote for the simple reason that it will amuse me to watch a lot of politicians have their reputations ruined by their predictions being so wildly inaccurate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'd like to see a YES vote for the simple reason that it will amuse me to watch a lot of politicians have their reputations ruined by their predictions being so wildly inaccurate.

I think you will find that two of The Three Amegos reputations are ruined long before the debate started.
If Yes win Cameron will have to resign and throw further confusion on the 2016 rUK elections.

 

[delc]

From an English point of view, the Labour Party will lose it's power base in Scotland if a Yes vote, so little chance of another incompetent Labour Government for the rest of the UK. From a Scottish point of view, they will be lumbered with a Labour/SNP Government, so expect bankruptcy and extortionate tax rates.

 

[Old Skier]

It sure is unfortunately

I'm surprised he managed to get around them all. As to the other comment, as a long time fan of Dortmund I have never heard that little dittie and you also need to steer clear of the yellow handbags, they tend to blur your hearing and any sence of reasonable thought.

 

[Old Skier]

From an English point of view, the Labour Party will lose it's power base in Scotland if a Yes vote, so little chance of another incompetent Labour Government for the rest of the UK. From a Scottish point of view, they will be lumbered with a Labour/SNP Government, so expect bankruptcy and extortionate tax rates.

But the poor will have a better life.

 

[delc]

But the poor will have a better life.

Even the poor will much worse off when Scotland goes bankrupt! Due to the Labour Party's power base in Scotland, it has enjoyed a cosy subsidised existence for many years, and many leading UK politicians have been Scottish. We English will be better off without you, but on the other hand it seems stupid to break up a Union that has worked well for hundreds of years.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Folk are queuing up to register to vote and as Salmond says, I am sure they are not queuing up to vote no.

Please tell me what is wrong with helping the poor to a better life?
Scotland has one of the richest and at the same time unequal societies in the world, I would like to do my bit to change that.

 

[delc]

Folk are queuing up to register to vote and as Salmond says, I am sure they are not queuing up to vote no.

Please tell me what is wrong with helping the poor to a better life?
Scotland has one of the richest and at the same time unequal societies in the world, I would like to do my bit to change that.

By making everybody equally poor?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

By making everybody equally poor?

That would allude to a very negative attitude to life.

I have a much more positive attitude.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Folk are queuing up to register to vote and as Salmond says, I am sure they are not queuing up to vote no.

Or they have seen how much YES has risen recently, and gone "balls to that, I'm definitely going to vote NO now!"

Could work either way. Either people jump on the bandwagon of YES, or where before they may have been too lazy to vote NO, this spurs them into action.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Two observations.

1. The £ weakening against the Euro/$ seems to have been taken as a negative but I see it as a pretty good thing to happen, just like when it was nearly 2:1 a few years back.It's good for British business exporting.Not so good for tourism/importers, but if I'm not mistaken, our trade balance is a touch off?


2.The Labour Party.I think the party in Scotland is effectively dead, no matter what the outcome of the referendum.If we vote YES the backlash internally will be spectacular, with the blame game reaching all the way to the very top...I mean, c'mon, who honestly takes Johann Lamont seriously?I'm not she takes herself seriously.And Brown/Darling will slope off back into the ether never to be heard of again.If NO wins they've isolated themselves from a pretty hefty % of their core voters ( that used to include me) that will never go back.They've crawled into bed with Westminster Conservatives and delivered the message Cameron refused to do himself.Labour in The rUK are also pretty much done...if we vote YES then they lose 49(?) MPs right away and Milliband has to go, who's taking his place?Ed Balls?lol

Looking forward to seeing what the three have to say today...interesting that Milliband is going to 'safe' Lanarkshire...I reckon he's gonna get a big surprise.

Also look out for Survation late today.....

 

[ger147]

Miliband coming to Lanarkshire? I think I'll play golf today...