Adi2Dassler
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£16 Billion loan.I think thats less than the monthly interest on our debt.
Scotland Debate
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£16 Billion loan.I think thats less than the monthly interest on our debt.
Adi2Dassler
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Which is surely what would happen over time if the Scottish economy bombed following a YES vote.
FairwayDodger
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I'm not a fan of Irvine Welsh. Have enjoyed at least one of his books but was turned against him primarily by one too many vicious and overly generalised rant about Rangers fans.....
However, that was an interesting read (eventually - what a preamble!). I actually thought he was going to descend into an anti-English rant at one point, even though he was dealing with an issue that also irritates me. In fact, I only kept reading in the knowledge that you wouldn't have posted such a thing.
I'm glad I did - that's maybe as close as I've read to explaining a broader context for independence without getting lost in short term economic minutiae. Maybe even the first thing that's given me pause to see the potential upside of independence over the status quo.
Despite that, I still think independence is the wrong way to go and would much prefer to see the ills of our society resolved within the UK. Perhaps that's an unrealistic, impractical view; I can understand why many feel it would be quicker and easier to achieve much locally within an independent Scotland than the broader and more diverse UK as a whole. Indeed, it is easy to conceive of Scotland as a more agile, manoeuvrable entity than the UK supertanker.
Clearly there are potential positives from independence and that's the sort of sentiment I and other no voters will have to grasp should "yes" win the vote.
Thanks for posting.
Adi2Dassler
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I'm not a fan of Irvine Welsh. Have enjoyed at least one of his books but was turned against him primarily by one too many vicious and overly generalised rant about Rangers fans.....
However, that was an interesting read (eventually - what a preamble!). I actually thought he was going to descend into an anti-English rant at one point, even though he was dealing with an issue that also irritates me. In fact, I only kept reading in the knowledge that you wouldn't have posted such a thing.
I'm glad I did - that's maybe as close as I've read to explaining a broader context for independence without getting lost in short term economic minutiae. Maybe even the first thing that's given me pause to see the potential upside of independence over the status quo.
Despite that, I still think independence is the wrong way to go and would much prefer to see the ills of our society resolved within the UK. Perhaps that's an unrealistic, impractical view; I can understand why many feel it would be quicker and easier to achieve much locally within an independent Scotland than the broader and more diverse UK as a whole. Indeed, it is easy to conceive of Scotland as a more agile, manoeuvrable entity than the UK supertanker.
Clearly there are potential positives from independence and that's the sort of sentiment I and other no voters will have to grasp should "yes" win the vote.
Thanks for posting.
No worries.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Solid stuff from that feisty Jean quine countering Andrew Neil
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No one can know what would happen - people can guess or make estimations
There are certainly a great deal of other countries that are still suffering and continue to suffer
Doon frae Troon
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Solid stuff from that feisty Jean quine countering Andrew Neil
She has been a real star for the Yes group.
Have you noticed how they are all too scared to interupt her.
Old Skier
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It appears there are plans now coming to the "surface" about the nukes.
HughJars
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A perfect example of why NO are losing the voters
I'll keep this short..
I will vote yes because I believe Scotland's interests will be better served by a Scottish government than by Westminster.
Independence will also mean that Westminster can stop fretting about when the burden that is North Sea oil will run out and start planning for the loss of the revenue immediately.
I will vote yes because I believe Scotland's interests will be better served by a Scottish government than by Westminster.
Independence will also mean that Westminster can stop fretting about when the burden that is North Sea oil will run out and start planning for the loss of the revenue immediately.
Doon frae Troon
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Looking to the future there is I believe 570 oil rigs in the North Sea.
It costs the oil companies a fortune to de-commission them so plenty of work there boys and girls.
Adi2Dassler
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HughJars
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Another perfect example of why NO are losing voters
SwingsitlikeHogan
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(Lord) George Robertson on Scotland 2014 this evening. I didn't really get his gloom and doom mongering about the impact on UK military capability of Scotland taking it's bit. Whether a Scottish Defence Force would be sufficiently organised to take part in any NATO or UN military action 'straight away' is one thing. Suggesting a serious debilitation of the UKs capacity/capability to take part is another - and indeed even if it did whether that would particularly matter in the short term - in time the rUK forces would restored to the strength desired byu Westminster and the rUK MoD.
In any case if absolutely necessary Joint Operability of Scottish and rUK forces would clearly be as straightforward as these things get - and one heck of a lot easier than Joint Ops of the rUK forces with say the French.
In any case if absolutely necessary Joint Operability of Scottish and rUK forces would clearly be as straightforward as these things get - and one heck of a lot easier than Joint Ops of the rUK forces with say the French.
This for me has always been the one sentiment that should override all others. Its about the desire for TOTAL self determination.
I love the Union, and I do believe it is a partnership that works. Those that spout Scotland doesn't get a fair deal from Westminster are blinkered to the fact that no one gets a fair deal from Westminster. I believe we are better together, and I feel the comment of "well why aren't we better together now" is just pure rubbish. We are the best we could be at this moment in time, during difficult times.
Unfortunately, finance, money, world banks, currency, lending etc are essential to the running of a country. But I feel they cloud the issue of independence. It should about the desire for self determination, end of.
If I was a Scot, living in Scotland, I'd be girding my loins and voting Yes. Courage, self belief and self determination.
Doon frae Troon
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I disagree, I think London and SE England gets far more than it's fair share from Westminster.
Someone once said if you want to judge wealth count the building cranes.
I believe that more than 90% of the UK's building cranes are currently working within the M25.
Someone once said if you want to judge wealth count the building cranes.
I believe that more than 90% of the UK's building cranes are currently working within the M25.
Old Skier
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Does this mean that you agree with the estimates and the oil is running out.
Old Skier
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How do you work that one out or are you assuming that iscot will automatically buy UK defence equipment.
