Scotland Debate

[Foxholer]

It was a handful of Scots and ANO who convinced parliament it was legal at the time.

Ah yes! :rofl: The leader of which is now a 'Peace Envoy' for Middle East. Doing a great job there too!

Apparently performing better advising 'dictators' how to spin their 'massacres'! And throws a good birthday party apparently too! All courtesy of the Daily Mail's obsession with tarring the poor (hardly!) man - just back from another 'luxury freebie' of the coast of Sicily.

 

[Slab]

But in the context of the referendum they have no more or no less interest in Scotland than I. Whilst I can seem the emotional aspect of this - it is their job.

Many folk down here in England who know me well have expressed great surprise that I don't get a vote, and have said it is wrong that I don't. But their views are based upon their recognition of the emotional attachment I obviously have for my country - never mind my broad accent even after 30 yrs away And never mind that they don't have any understanding of the real practical family issues that make it important to me how Scotland is run and it socio-economic policies.

I don't have a vote - I am long past holding any resentments about that.

Agree. I may have 'popped out' for a handful of years but until relatively recently I spent my whole life there but currently don't get a vote.

I knew when I took this job it meant not getting a vote in the referendum but that doesn't mean I don't care or have an opinion (I just don't have a voice that counts, but it was still my choice to leave)

 

[Val]

I nearly cried reading that soul stirring article.They joined up, left Scotland and made the conscious choice to do so.

Suck it up.And stay in the UK armed forces or join a new Scottish force, your choice.We'll survive either way.

This is called democracy, don't like it? Move elsewhere.

Ignorance beyond belief. Disappointed to read that from you.

 

[CMAC]

And parliament didn't have the bollocks to stand up to them.Both as guilty as each other and the perfect example of why we should vote yes.

I always assumed (wrongly) by some of your posts you were in the NO camp. It all makes sense now.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Ignorance beyond belief. Disappointed to read that from you.

Well I'm disappointed that the vote is going to be close.The ability to self determine should be automatic, and given Scotland would be the first country given the option to decline that opportunity, that would be not only disappointing, but rather embarrassing.

I always assumed (wrongly) by some of your posts you were in the NO camp. It all makes sense now.

You are joking, right? 1500 + posts on this forum and pretty much exclusively about the referendum ( fell out of love with golf a few years ago) and there's a lingering doubt about my voting intentions? I need to try harder!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Agree. I may have 'popped out' for a handful of years but until relatively recently I spent my whole life there but currently don't get a vote.

I knew when I took this job it meant not getting a vote in the referendum but that doesn't mean I don't care or have an opinion (I just don't have a voice that counts, but it was still my choice to leave)

...and whilst at home (in Glasgow) recently I realised the #1 reason I should be disqualified - no matter what - from having a vote. I found myself listen to Kenneth McKellar - The Song of the Clyde - and I was singing along and enjoying it

 

[FairwayDodger]

Well I'm disappointed that the vote is going to be close.The ability to self determine should be automatic, and given Scotland would be the first country given the option to decline that opportunity, that would be not only disappointing, but rather embarrassing.

<deep sigh>

We already have self determination. You just want it within a smaller constituency.

 

[Slab]

...and whilst at home (in Glasgow) recently I realised the #1 reason I should be disqualified - no matter what - from having a vote. I found myself listen to Kenneth McKellar - The Song of the Clyde - and I was singing along and enjoying it

Ouch!

For my part I've cunningly arranged for a No voter to come out here for a holiday that spans the 18th in an effort to negate my ability to vote Yes

 

[Adi2Dassler]

<deep sigh>

We already have self determination. You just want it within a smaller constituency.

<roles eyes>

So we can determine how to spend our taxes fully,then? We've decided that nukes are actually good and we should'nt increase military spending over the nominal 2%?

I missed all that, but good to know.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

<roles eyes>

So we can determine how to spend our taxes fully,then? We've decided that nukes are actually good and we should'nt increase military spending over the nominal 2%?

I missed all that, but good to know.

By that logic, if after a Yes vote, you get rid of Nukes, if all of the Shetland Isles (or another area) wanted Nukes, then they wouldn't have self determination, and should therefore become independent?

By having a vote per person on the same basis as everyone else in the UK, yes, you have self determination.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

By that logic, if after a Yes vote, you get rid of Nukes, if all of the Shetland Isles (or another area) wanted Nukes, then they wouldn't have self determination, and should therefore become independent?

By having a vote per person on the same basis as everyone else in the UK, yes, you have self determination.

Is Shetland a country within The UK?If we're gonna use comparitors, lets use ones that work.Scotland isn't a region/area and the sooner that's realised the better.

Spoke to my accountant today, a very vocal NO voter and he's very nervous, to the point he's looking for property in England as he can see a simplification of the tax code and him being redundant as a result of independence.He's not a happy chappy with how the unionists have performed.

A prime example being how inaccurate the polling has been.I told him I couldn't care less about polling as I can see what's happening and don't need some polling company to tell me, but he was at pains to have the conversation.

To be polled you need a landline or be prepared to answer your door to a cold caller.The section of society that is less inclined to to do either? The housing scheme dwellers.How are they inclined to vote?Yes.The uptake of voting registrations for these areas in the last two months? Something like 70-80% if RIC etc are to be believed.

 

[FairwayDodger]

<roles eyes>

So we can determine how to spend our taxes fully,then? We've decided that nukes are actually good and we should'nt increase military spending over the nominal 2%?

I missed all that, but good to know.

Your sarcasm is most unbecoming. You are intelligent enough to recognise the simple truth of my point. We are part of the UK electorate that has voted in every government we've had. I'm not happy with many policies put in place by governments for whom I personally did not vote but I recognise that I took part in a democratic process.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Your sarcasm is most unbecoming. You are intelligent enough to recognise the simple truth of my point. We are part of the UK electorate that has voted in every government we've had. I'm not happy with many policies put in place by governments for whom I personally did not vote but I recognise that I took part in a democratic process.

I love sarcasm.I love being undone by it and attempting to undo others.The finest written art humanity has invented, and I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

80% turnout estimated.
That is quite amazing.

 

[Old Skier]

80% turnout estimated.
That is quite amazing.

If that happens, whatever the result Scotland should pat themselves on the back

 

[Foxholer]

... I found myself listen to Kenneth McKellar - The Song of the Clyde - and I was singing along and enjoying it

Yikes! That's a name - and a song - from the deep past!

His voice featured in quite a bit of our families 'entertainment'!

 

[Imurg]

80% turnout estimated.
.

And how are they estimating that?
By using polls which, by all accounts, are inaccurate......?

 

[Old Skier]

And how are they estimating that?
By using polls which, by all accounts, are inaccurate......?

Deserves a like

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And how are they estimating that?
By using polls which, by all accounts, are inaccurate......?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

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Ahh but it all depends on the questions they ask.

Will you vote.........yes.
How will you vote........for you of course [lying through teeth]