Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

As some like to quote from the papers http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eferendum-woefully-unprepared-yes-vote-impact

This is one mans opinion, which is fair enough, but I'm more of the thought things will be done according to The Edinburgh Agreement, with some disagreements,some minor mud slinging, but on the whole, worked out for the best possible way for both Scotland and rUK

Salmond talks as though the negotiations following a yes vote would be straightforward, respectful and informed by mutual trust. Why should that be so? They would more likely be devious, antagonistic and riddled with mutual suspicion, as well as largely meaningless until after the 2015 general election.

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Meanwhile, what about the public mood? Views will not remain frozen unchangingly once the result is in. Nor will they inevitably remain benign and peaceful. Nationalist opinion could become more militant if the talks become bogged down. Even acts of violence are not inconceivable in certain circumstances or places, as anyone with a smattering of knowledge of the Irish treaty of 1921 will grasp.

The psychological impact in England, Wales and Northern Ireland of Scotland's rejection of the union, meanwhile, could be very unpredictable, and possibly nastily so.

 

[Old Skier]

Not read the paper before but I think this comment hits the nail on the head:

"The nationalists' always frame the independence argument as a battle between the Scots and the Tories. In a very real sense, Alex Salmond is fighting this campaign against Margaret Thatcher."

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Not read the paper before but I think this comment hits the nail on the head:

"The nationalists' always frame the independence argument as a battle between the Scots and the Tories. In a very real sense, Alex Salmond is fighting this campaign against Margaret Thatcher."

and equally the unionists always frame a yes vote as a vote for Salmond.Both are utter bollocks.

 

[Old Skier]

and equally the unionists always frame a yes vote as a vote for Salmond.Both are utter bollocks.

The reason I find it interesting is because it is from someone left of Chairman Moe and not a lover of the Tories. Many of the arguments on here also appear to bare it out. ( This may be just my perception)

 

[Adi2Dassler]

The reason I find it interesting is because it is from someone left of Chairman Moe and not a lover of the Tories. Many of the arguments on here also appear to bare it out. ( This may be just my perception)

The tories are generally disliked, excluding a densely populated area of the south east of england, so Scotland isn't alone there.

do you agree that Salmond vs Tories = Salmond =yes?...ie both are sweeping generalisations

 

[SocketRocket]

The tories are generally disliked, excluding a densely populated area of the south east of england, so Scotland isn't alone there.

do you agree that Salmond vs Tories = Salmond =yes?...ie both are sweeping generalisations

The Tories are supported throughout the Shires, not just the South East.

 

[Old Skier]

The tories are generally disliked, excluding a densely populated area of the south east of england, so Scotland isn't alone there.

do you agree that Salmond vs Tories = Salmond =yes?...ie both are sweeping generalisations

IMHO I think that anytime any politician speaks in favour of a No vote it is a nail in the BT cause, and every time Salmond speaks the RUK generallystart getting the hump and would assist him with his wishes. If he now insisted on a UK wide vote he mightstand a better chance wish really is a shame.

 

[scottbrown]

The tories are generally disliked, excluding a densely populated area of the south east of england, so Scotland isn't alone there.

do you agree that Salmond vs Tories = Salmond =yes?...ie both are sweeping generalisations

Certain areas of the south west are staunch Tory voters too, rightly or wrongly. The local MP here is a Tory and has been re-elected about 20 times ( or seems that much )

 

[Foxholer]

The tories are generally disliked, excluding a densely populated area of the south east of england, so Scotland isn't alone there.

do you agree that Salmond vs Tories = Salmond =yes?...ie both are sweeping generalisations

The Tories are supported throughout the Shires, not just the South East.

Heavens you guys talk some tripe!

Here's the results from 2010 Election!

Check the Blue areas of the map!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Heavens you guys talk some tripe!

Here's the results from 2010 Election!

Check the Blue areas of the map!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

Didn't Socket say that the Tories were also supported in the shires ( backed up by your map ) - or are you referring to Adi comment ?

 

[Foxholer]

Didn't Socket say that the Tories were also supported in the shires ( backed up by your map ) - or are you referring to Adi comment ?

Well, I guess Lancashire counts as one as does Yorkshire (though nothing in South Yorkshire)! And you might just about get away with Devonshire. But Essexshire, Sussexshire (x 2), Norfolkshire Suffolkshire, Cornwallshire, Dorsetshire, Avonshire, Surreyshire, Kentshire, Humbersideshire are all new counties to me!

Basically, there are lots of 'shire' counties and Tories win all but 1 - and they win lots of other counties too!

To limit it just to 'throughout the Shires' is not enough! It's pretty much throughout England except traditional industrial areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_breakdown_of_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

 

[SocketRocket]

Well, I guess Lancashire counts as one as does Yorkshire (though nothing in South Yorkshire)! And you might just about get away with Devonshire. But Essexshire, Sussexshire (x 2), Norfolkshire Suffolkshire, Cornwallshire, Dorsetshire, Avonshire, Surreyshire, Kentshire, Humbersideshire are all new counties to me!

Basically, there are lots of 'shire' counties and Tories win all but 1 - and they win lots of other counties too!

To limit it just to 'throughout the Shires' is not enough! It's pretty much throughout England except traditional industrial areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_breakdown_of_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

I'll forgive your lack of knowledge to our ancient land divisions due to you being a Colonialist. The Shire Counties (Red areas on map. Orange referred as Shires Occasionally) Oh! and there is no such County as 'Avon'

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[Doon frae Troon]

Different culture.

In England on TV last night a guy takes out a wad of notes to pay a £500 fee to a legalised thug for not paying a parking ticket.

In Scotland I have a skilled guy helping me to put up a fence.....his charge rate £8 per hour.
He would have to work 62 hours to pay for that parking fine.

[I will pay him £12 an hour as he charges too low.]

£4 an hour to park at Lincoln
50p an hour to park in Ayr.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Different culture.

In England on TV last night a guy takes out a wad of notes to pay a £500 fee to a legalised thug for not paying a parking ticket.

In Scotland I have a skilled guy helping me to put up a fence.....his charge rate £8 per hour.
He would have to work 62 hours to pay for that parking fine.

[I will pay him £12 an hour as he charges too low.]

You really do post some very strange posts at times !

Are you suggesting there are none of the second person in the rest of the UK and in Scotland there are no companies charging fortunes to stop your car being towed or people with wads of notes !

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You really do post some very strange posts at times !

Are you suggesting there are none of the second person in the rest of the UK and in Scotland there are no companies charging fortunes to stop your car being towed or people with wads of notes !

I'm not aware of any.......Scots law is different you know.
The Edinburgers will not doubt be able to correct me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not aware of any.......Scots law is different you know.
The Edinburgers will not doubt be able to correct me.

Don't the SCS have the power to clamp ?

And in 2008 believe a lot of clamping was made illegal in England but companies just towed away cars before asking for massive fees ?

And the second part of your post about the skilled worker ?

Again don't judge on minority

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So what is the going rate for a skilled self employed worker in Liverpool then Phil?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what is the going rate for a skilled self employed worker in Liverpool then Phil?

I have no idea - all depends on what the skill is

I know some people in Scotland that can earn over 600 quid a day in IT

 

[Old Skier]

So what is the going rate for a skilled self employed worker in Liverpool then Phil?

Skilled, EMPLOYED, Liverpool

 

[Old Skier]

Skilled, EMPLOYED, Liverpool

Bugger, that's not racist is it.