S & D Call through Rule.

[oltimer]

Help please - I cannot find the above rule which used to give the procedure to be applied when calling through - ie should call thro when taking S & D. does it still exist and on which page "please".

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don’t know of any rule…I don’t think there is a strict rule as such - there may have been something in an etiquette section that is no longer there.

But I’d simply say that if I was walking back any distance to take S&D, and a following group was ready to play, then we would wave through the following group as I started the walk back. My group would stand to the side of green/fairway to give them clear and safe play. If the group coming through was minded they might ask me if I wanted to play up with them. After they’d played, my group ahead would themselves play their shots and then wait for me.

 

[Colin L]

Help please - I cannot find the above rule which used to give the procedure to be applied when calling through - ie should call thro when taking S & D. does it still exist and on which page "please".

You won't find such a rule. Rightly so, I'd suggest as whether to let the following game through or not depends entirely on the particular circumstances of the S&D. There are plenty of occasions on which it would clearly be the wrong thing to do, clearly cause additional delay. What, for example, if the distance part of the S&D is only 50 yards? And I have seen fit young players galloping back the considerable length of their drive, playing again and galloping back in such a short time that the group quickly catches up with the one in front. And what about the well-known example of putting off a green and into a bunker and deciding to take S&D?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I don’t know of any rule…I don’t think there is a strict rule as such - there may have been something in an etiquette section that is no longer there.

But I’d simply say that if I was walking back any distance to take S&D, and a following group was ready to play, then we would wave through the following group as I started the walk back. My group would stand to the side of green/fairway to give them clear and safe play. If the group coming through was minded they might ask me if I wanted to play up with them. After they’d played, my group ahead would themselves play their shots and then wait for me.

^^^ just this. If you've started walking back and group behind are ready to play, it's common courtesy to wave the grou pbehind through. And by common courtesy, I mean every single time, not waving them through shouldn't even enter your head.

 

[oltimer]

You won't find such a rule. Rightly so, I'd suggest as whether to let the following game through or not depends entirely on the particular circumstances of the S&D. There are plenty of occasions on which it would clearly be the wrong thing to do, clearly cause additional delay. What, for example, if the distance part of the S&D is only 50 yards? And I have seen fit young players galloping back the considerable length of their drive, playing again and galloping back in such a short time that the group quickly catches up with the one in front. And what about the well-known example of putting off a green and into a bunker and deciding to take S&D?

Tnks - then it must have been removed (and why I can`t find it|) as I clearly recall reading it early on this year in the R & A web site.

 

[Colin L]

^^^ just this. If you've started walking back and group behind are ready to play, it's common courtesy to wave the grou pbehind through. And by common courtesy, I mean every single time, not waving them through shouldn't even enter your head.

Are you so certain that there are no circumstances in which waving the following game on would slow things down more than having them wait? I'd suggest the first thing that should enter your head is a quick assessment of the situation and a decision as to whether to call through or not. It's the same with a search: there are circumstances whereby calling through can worsen delay. In short, think about it and then decided what's best.

 

[jim8flog]

There are no longer any rules on any etiquette in the rule book it is up to each club to make their own.

Personally I have always stood to one side called the group through, after the have played their shots I walk back (unless there was a safe way to do it)
In that way they are walking forward whilst you are walking back.

If you have partners yet they should play ready golf and hit their next shot as the players are walking forward as well. Else the group behind the group behind are then going to be waiting for more than one player.

One point in all of this is that if you cannot find your ball within a very quick period of looking you should be calling the group behind through whilst you search and not waiting the 3 minutes before doing so (this one was in the Rules of Etiquette when they existed).

 

[chrisd]

One point in all of this is that if you cannot find your ball within a very quick period of looking you should be calling the group behind through whilst you search and not waiting the 3 minutes before doing so (this one was in the Rules of Etiquette when they existed).

Whilst I dont disagree with most of your post I do about this bit

I find that if you call a group through very quickly and then you almost immediately find the missing ball it can the become a "shall we carry on" or shall we let them through still" scenario. The group coming through get annoyed if you play on but it can take an age when, after all, they've waited behind less than 3 minutes.

Also I've seen situations where the searching group keep looking ,while the players coming through play their shots and eventually holing out, and the searching group find the ball way after 3 min have elapsed and they carry on as time doesnt matter.

So, for me I'd normally look for the 3 minutes then call the group through so that the ball loser is aware their time is up

 

[backwoodsman]

Tnks - then it must have been removed (and why I can`t find it|) as I clearly recall reading it early on this year in the R & A web site.

??

The current rules (and therefore the "missing" bits about etiquette) have been around for the best part of 2 years now.

 

[rulefan]

Help please - I cannot find the above rule which used to give the procedure to be applied when calling through - ie should call thro when taking S & D. does it still exist and on which page "please".

It wasn't a Rule but simply a recommendation/suggestion in the pre 2019 Rules of Golf
SECTION 1: ETIQUETTE; BEHAVIOUR ON THE COURSE
PACE OF PLAY
Play at Good Pace and Keep Up
Players should play at a good pace. The Committee may establish pace of play guidelines that all players should follow.
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.

 

[badgergm]

Whilst I dont disagree with most of your post I do about this bit

I find that if you call a group through very quickly and then you almost immediately find the missing ball it can the become a "shall we carry on" or shall we let them through still" scenario. The group coming through get annoyed if you play on but it can take an age when, after all, they've waited behind less than 3 minutes.

Also I've seen situations where the searching group keep looking ,while the players coming through play their shots and eventually holing out, and the searching group find the ball way after 3 min have elapsed and they carry on as time doesnt matter.

So, for me I'd normally look for the 3 minutes then call the group through so that the ball loser is aware their time is up

Yes, surely the main point of reducing time to 3 minutes was to allow a search to be completed and a provisional played without having to call the group behind through?
I hate being called through - always rush and often someone has to look for their ball anfpd the whole thing becomes a mess. It can also have a bad effect down the field.
zThere are lots of scensrios, and often best thing to do depends on which group is slightly faster. If groups are same speed, often better to try and maintain same course position IMO.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Yes, surely the main point of reducing time to 3 minutes was to allow a search to be completed and a provisional played without having to call the group behind through?
I hate being called through - always rush and often someone has to look for their ball anfpd the whole thing becomes a mess. It can also have a bad effect down the field.
zThere are lots of scensrios, and often best thing to do depends on which group is slightly faster. If groups are same speed, often better to try and maintain same course position IMO.

But the question relates to a provisional not being played so having to do the walk of shame

 

[LincolnShep]

The current rules (and therefore the "missing" bits about etiquette) have been around for the best part of 2 years now.

1st Jan 2019, so nearly three years now.

 

[backwoodsman]

1st Jan 2019, so nearly three years now.

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(I normally count better than that. Really.)

 

[Swango1980]

1st Jan 2019, so nearly three years now.

Trust you to provide that response. I bet you know they've been out to the nearest second

 

[LincolnShep]

Trust you to provide that response. I bet you know they've been out to the nearest second

I aim to please.