Roll Up Group Handicaps

[Paperboy]

I keep a Black book for our Sunday roll up. We have handicap cuts for two weeks, lose a shot for winning front or back 9.
2 for winning overall, 1 for 36 points another for 40 points and another for 45 points.

If you win again during your cut weeks, you get a Cut on Cut shot as well. I won 3 weeks in a row that meant I went from 13 to 2.
Annoying as won with less then 36 points as well

 

[Backache]

Is Colonel Blitherington-Idiot really spluttering into his Kimmel because a privately organised group organises their handicaps in a way that the WHS dissaproves. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Chopper_P]

All serious golfers want a proper handicap reflecting their ability and form. We have all played rounds with people who have dodgy handicaps (just come back to golf, just taken it up or downright lying about his handicap), they win a lot since it always seems to take an age to adjust their handicap. So, the necessity to put cards in is clear but this is done through competition or general play, which makes sense, but compelling everyone to submit cards after every rounds (social or otherwise) for handicapping is exceptionally draconian. I play with a lot of older guys who, given a spot of rain, won't play, but equally, they just want to have a craic. After every round, I can't see these entering their scores into the system, it is hard enough for them to book a tee time. If EGU does what it threatens, then social golf is at risk since you can't just rock up and play a casual game, which is ludicrous!

How you divide the spoils from your swindle is up to you, but forcing you always to play off the same handicap means a lack of choice.

 

[RichA]

It's the golf equivalent of the FA sending a local representative to check on your regular Sunday afternoon kickabout behind the pub.
Thought they were all about trying to attract new golfers, not alienate existing ones.
Not that I can see many club officials taking it as seriously as Homer's.

 

[Crow]

Does this mean that scratch competitions are illegal too?

What's the difference between playing a scratch competition where your PH is 0, even if it should be 24 meaning you've lost 24 shots, and a roll up where you lose a couple of shots?

 

[Oddsocks]

Old club run all of their swindles through HDID… problem solved as every swindle became a counting card and have a very accurate h/c. Downside was the system become easy to manipulate and slow play become an issue.

Why not just run it through EG/hdid and make them non qualifying cards?

 

[jim8flog]

Old club run all of their swindles through HDID… problem solved as every swindle became a counting card and have a very accurate h/c. Downside was the system become easy to manipulate and slow play become an issue.

Why not just run it through EG/hdid and make them non qualifying cards?

Why do players /clubs with HDID assume that all other clubs have it?

On a Saturday morning I can think of at least 4 different swindles at or club so it would not work here as your system lumps them all together.

 

[wjemather]

Why do players /clubs with HDID assume that all other clubs have it?

On a Saturday morning I can think of at least 4 different swindles at or club so it would not work here as your system lumps them all together.

Which software are you using that cannot run multiple concurrent competitions and/or generate filtered results from a single competition to accommodate this?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

How about we just let swindled run how they want to run

And then the club run comps aligned with the EG and R&A rules and regulations etc etc

 

[The Squirrel]

I think we can all agree this whole issue is bonkers and any group can and should have a golf competition in whatever system and format they themselves choose as long as it gets them round the course at a sensible pace. Where does it even end? When I’m knocking round the course with my 11 yr old we have little competitions using whatever silly scoring or handicapping system takes our fancy. Am I going to be sent to golf prison?

 

[Dunesman]

I think we can all agree this whole issue is bonkers and any group can and should have a golf competition in whatever system and format they themselves choose as long as it gets them round the course at a sensible pace. Where does it even end? When I’m knocking round the course with my 11 yr old we have little competitions using whatever silly scoring or handicapping system takes our fancy. Am I going to be sent to golf prison?

No, but your club will be disaffiliated if they permit you to play these competitions without correctly calculating handicaps according to EGs regulations. Apparently. (although in practice, they wont. EG will neither know nor care).

 

[D-S]

No, but your club will be disaffiliated if they permit you to play these competitions without correctly calculating handicaps according to EGs regulations. Apparently. (although in practice, they wont. EG will neither know nor care).

They might not know but they seem to care.

 

[Billysboots]

What an absolute nonsense. If, like our club, there is no option to play qualifying competitions for up to four months every winter, there is an extended period during which official handicaps do not keep pace with playing ability. In such circumstances it is both responsible, and fair, for organisers of informal swindles to maintain their own informal handicaps.

And that extends throughout the year. Swindles/roll ups are supposed to be a bit of fun. But woe betide anyone who wants to have a bit of fun with their golfing mates.

Really, the stuffed shirts who run golf in this country are so full of their own self importance it’s laughable.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

They might not know but they seem to care.

What a shame then - maybe they should be focusing on other areas as opposed to what golfers do for a bit of enjoyment

 

[D-S]

What a shame then - maybe they should be focusing on other areas as opposed to what golfers do for a bit of enjoyment

Don't shoot the messenger - I 100% agree with you.

 

[Deleted member 36735]

As usual, some jobsworth has lost the plot somewhere.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Don't shoot the messenger - I 100% agree with you.

Any club that suspends someone’s HC because they have a swindle HC will soon find themselves losing members

 

[jim8flog]

Which software are you using that cannot run multiple concurrent competitions and/or generate filtered results from a single competition to accommodate this?

The software is fairly irrelevant in terms of the suggestion as it requires the club to set it up.

The club already runs plenty of optional medals every week and would not want to get involved with running members own swindles. The other point is that it would need somebody to process the results and that would not happen on the day immediately the rounds have finished which is what would be wanted by most players so that the winner can buy the drinks.

 

[AdrianN]

I attended an EG Workshop near Gloucester last week. Their firmly expressed view was that a Club has an obligation to treat Roll Ups / Swindles as Competitions and to ensure that the scores are recorded on WHS. Also that linked to this there can be only One Handicap for each Golfer. They expressed the view that if a Club Handicaps and Competitions Committee fails to "police" this issue it is failing in it`s duties under WHS.

And almost all of these events are played on a Measured Course, with Compliant Golf Equipment and according to the Rules of Golf - so they are Competitions that are Acceptable for Handicapping. They should therefore be a part of the Competitors "Scoring History" for WHS purposes in the view of EG. They were very clear that failure to address this aspect of Club Golf was aiding and abetting handicap manipulation.

This is going to be "news" to many golfers and educating everyone to a "new normal" isn`t going to be easy but it is definitely what EG want us to all be doing.

I realise that this "Post" goes against many of the comments in this thread - but it is definitely where EG are coming from and in time may cause serious issues for Clubs who fail to follow the EG lead.

 

[Dunesman]

I attended an EG Workshop near Gloucester last week. Their firmly expressed view was that a Club has an obligation to treat Roll Ups / Swindles as Competitions and to ensure that the scores are recorded on WHS. Also that linked to this there can be only One Handicap for each Golfer. They expressed the view that if a Club Handicaps and Competitions Committee fails to "police" this issue it is failing in it`s duties under WHS.

And almost all of these events are played on a Measured Course, with Compliant Golf Equipment and according to the Rules of Golf - so they are Competitions that are Acceptable for Handicapping. They should therefore be a part of the Competitors "Scoring History" for WHS purposes in the view of EG. They were very clear that failure to address this aspect of Club Golf was aiding and abetting handicap manipulation.

This is going to be "news" to many golfers and educating everyone to a "new normal" isn`t going to be easy but it is definitely what EG want us to all be doing.

I realise that this "Post" goes against many of the comments in this thread - but it is definitely where EG are coming from and in time may cause serious issues for Clubs who fail to follow the EG lead.

Real touch of King Canute and the waves about EG these days. They quickly need to get back on board with what is really happening in clubs and how its members want to play golf.