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Rolf Harris - Guilty

I can clearly remember events from well over 35 years ago. And traumatic ones are the easiest
 
guest100718 said:
I can clearly remember events from well over 35 years ago. And traumatic ones are the easiest
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Well I'm 35 years old and I can't remember many events from when I was 7, i.e. 28 years ago and certainly with no degree of clarity. But like I have previously stated, I wasn't (as far as I am aware) abused 28 years ago.
 
CMAC said:
That's a very interesting read and if that is all true and factual it beggars belief he was found guilty and sentenced to over 5 years in prison.

The writers last line is also thought provoking; I do know that if all it takes to send a man to prison and ruin his life is an uncorroborated accusation from 45 years ago, then no man is safe under British justice.



I was reading the charges someone posted above and actually had to stop as the judges comments were so graphic I couldnt read more about this poor innocent wee girls traumas.

Then I read in this other article posted by Woody69 that they had an adult sexual relationship for 14 years and in the 90's demanded £25,000 or she would expose their relationship. Is all this just fabricated or are these actual facts corroborated in court?

anyone wiser?
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There's always 3 sides to every story!

The article that Woody69 posted has put completely different thoughts in my mind to those I posted immediately after reading the charges yesterday afternoon, I assumed there was some evidential proof to back up, but assuming the Libertarian view points are correct (as I'd previously done with the court statement) does it appear the actual evidence has been disregarded to get the verdict they wanted?

I'm curious to see whether this is finished now but suspect it's a long way from over if the article is anything like correct and as I hinted to at the start of this post there's probably elements of truth on both sides. Maybe the truth is the overlap of the two stories or it's in the gap between them! Speaking as someone who grew up watching "Rolf's Cartoon Club" I still really hope there's more truth in the article than the courts verdict!
 
woody69 said:
Well I'm 35 years old and I can't remember many events from when I was 7, i.e. 28 years ago and certainly with no degree of clarity. But like I have previously stated, I wasn't (as far as I am aware) abused 28 years ago.
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I wasnt either, but I did fall in an unguarded coal fire aged 2(almost 40 years ago). I can clearly remember that!
 
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Interesting read.

I have no idea whether he was innocent or guilty, none of us do, I do believe there are innocents in jail though just as there are guilty ones walking free.
 
guest100718 said:
I wasnt either, but I did fall in an unguarded coal fire aged 2(almost 40 years ago). I can clearly remember that!
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Well I can kind of remember falling up to my neck into a slurry pit when I was around 4 or 5, but it's isn't a clear memory. I think I was with my Dad at the time, but other than that it's all very very vague. I have another vivid memory that I nearly hung myself by my scarf when I was about 5 or 6 from a fence I was climbing on when I slipped and my scarf got caught. Left a cut in my neck from what I remember. I have no doubt that some of the memories are mixed up, or even made up in my head. No way I could say what actually happened for either event with 100% accuracy.

Memory is such a funny thing with how it tries to fill in gaps and mix things up. With the upmost respect, I'm sure you believe 100% you can remember clearly what happenned, but I would pretty much guarantee that wasn't what actually did occur.
 
woody69 said:
Well I can kind of remember falling up to my neck into a slurry pit when I was around 4 or 5, but it's isn't a clear memory. I think I was with my Dad at the time, but other than that it's all very very vague. I have another vivid memory that I nearly hung myself by my scarf when I was about 5 or 6 from a fence I was climbing on when I slipped and my scarf got caught. Left a cut in my neck from what I remember. I have no doubt that some of the memories are mixed up, or even made up in my head. No way I could say what actually happened for either event with 100% accuracy.

Memory is such a funny thing with how it tries to fill in gaps and mix things up. With the upmost respect, I'm sure you believe 100% you can remember clearly what happenned, but I would pretty much guarantee that wasn't what actually did occur.
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Just because your memory is poor, that doesnt mean everyone elses is.
 
With these cases there is little evidence when each individual story is examined but it is the similarities between the stories related by the victims that increasingly make the case for a prosecution. The abusers generally have the same MO. Say the same things, manipulate situations in the same way etc and when many victims independently come up with essentially the same evidence (uncorroborated as it is) it paints a very different picture. The latter article simply ignores this aspect and is a very unbalanced piece of journalism if you ask me.

Edit: Sorry, just re-read it and the article does allude to this at the end but I don't buy the argument about aliens etc.
 
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Our minds are good at creating solid 'memories' from fragments of events that actually happened.

For years I was convinced that I was at the Scotland v Czechoslovakia WC qualifier at Hampden in 1973. But I am pretty sure now that I wasn't. I think I watched it on TV and have watched highlights loads of times since and still love the goals by big Jim Holton and 'fangs' Jordan - and have been to plenty other Scotland games at Hampden - but not that game. And I have told loads of folk I was there - convinced I have been that I was. Funny thing the mind.
 
This has always been an issue for me with these cases from the 60's and 70's.
There is little chance of there being any "real" physical evidence - by that I mean photographs, DNA, etc etc..
The only evidence is word of mouth, even if there are similarities in the statements it's hard to see it as proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Not saying for one second that he didn't do it but relying on memory from that long ago against the word of someone else ie your word against mine..does make the case look a bit thin.
 
guest100718 said:
Just because your memory is poor, that doesnt mean everyone elses is.
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I'm not saying it is, but there have been many many studies on the mind and memory recollection and they consistently show the human mind is extremely fallible and deceives us.

Snelly said:
I was. 34 years ago. And I can remember it like it was yesterday afternoon.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Our minds are good at creating solid 'memories' from fragments of events that actually happened.

For years I was convinced that I was at the Scotland v Czechoslovakia WC qualifier at Hampden in 1973. But I am pretty sure now that I wasn't. I think I watched it on TV and have watched highlights loads of times since and still love the goals by big Jim Holton and 'fangs' Jordan - and have been to plenty other Scotland games at Hampden - but not that game. And I have told loads of folk I was there - convinced I have been that I was. Funny thing the mind.
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Yip me to , I'm beginning to think i was at the 1966 world cup final, but maybe i just saw it a FEW times on the telly. :whistle:
 
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