Reece Dempster, murderer and rapist.

HappyHacker1 said:
Not a single life would be saved by the re-introducing of the death penalty.

We are supposed to be a civilised society, what kind of civilised society willing takes the life of another human being.

Don't get me wrong, these type of people would be no loss to society but society has to be above such an inhumane act.
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What about re-offenders?
Their victims' lives would surely be saved.
 
Put him down like the wild dog he is, he behaved worse than a wild animal , FFS he attacked and raped and murdered a vulnerable 89 year old woman, no ifs or buts he's 110% guilty.
I'll pull the trigger for nothing and save the country a few million (y) I'll get my TV licence for free pay no rent council tax or heating bills and probably spend less time in jail than he will.:mad:
Can i borrow 1 of your guns YOB :devilish:
 
Unfortunately there are some people who do not want to be rehabilitated, it’s there way of life to steal, hurt people, cause pain to people. The only way with these types is to remove them from society.
 
Prison should be a deterrent, basics, no gym, no tv, no consoles, just hard labour until you’re released.
Then some might have second thoughts about reoffending.
 
Slime said:
What about re-offenders?
Their victims' lives would surely be saved.
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Going into the attempting to predict the future there - bit of minority report ?

You can’t go - well you might reoffend so to make sure that doesn’t happen we will kill you.

Being part of a civilised society is not removing someone’s life - where does the death penalty come into a civilised society ? It’s start becoming a bit of a red revenge and purely just to punish someone - killing someone as a punishment?

More and more countries are removing the death penalty for many reasons and this country thankfully will never go backwards to bring it back.
 
pauldj42 said:
And their murder rate is way way above ours and they have millions of more guns and the death penalty in some states and the murders continue.

If there’s ever a Country not to use as an example when discussing the death penalty, I’d suggest it’s the USA.
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is there murder rate through drugs or breaking into houses or other factors. I think the later.
 
A hugely complex issue, among the complexities:

  1. Saying he would have been blasted away by a gun-owning homeowner is easy in retrospect because we know the victim got murdered. In reality, you also have to consider that for every burglar that won't take that risk, some will go in with a gun, and aim to shoot first because if they risk being shot, better they shoot first.
  2. The death penalty is weak as a deterrent because most people who commit criminal acts will either believe they won't get caught, or will not be thinking rationally when the act is committed.
  3. The cost of the legal process to ensure the death penalty is applied correctly is usually more than long term imprisonment.
  4. Whose suffering do we consider? The victims suffering is obvious at the forefront. If we lock someone up we potentially give them a miserable life so death may be better for them, but if we kill them we introduce additional suffering to their relatives also. In the heat of the moment revenge may feel good, but long term it does very little, it doesn't bring back murdered loved ones, it just potentially creates more misery for others.
  5. Emotion cannot take over rule of law, either we have to execute all perpetrators of a given crime, or none, we can't pick and choose based on how enraged the headline of the crime makes us.
 
bobmac said:
To have a civilised society, society must act in a civil way.
When Reece Dempster raped and murdered an old lady, he lost any rights to protection from a civilised society.
In my opinion
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So he is them removed from a civilised society and placed into a society where he is treated as a prisoner with no luxuries - 12 people or indeed person should have never have the ability to take someone’s life as a punishment to a crime
 
Wolf said:
Why have I been brought into this when I haven't commented on the thread before...

Id kindly ask not to be mentioned in a manner that assumes emotional attachment towards had this been my family as my views are my own and not for assumptions to be made.

I do not condone the death penalty in any form and have spoken out as such on other threads. Justice nor deterrent is served in the killing of the perpetrators. I could go deeper into my views of why and other reasons that pertain to the carrying out of it, but I never asked to be brought into the thread in the first place...
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I suggest you check your account as someone has hacked it and put a like on post #19 Under your name. Of it was you it means you like someone’s opinion. someone’s opinion who went against my view. The emotional attatchment is exactly what the family of this murdered pensioner had. If you don’t want to be brought into the thread, you could of done that without giving support to others.

That aside this death penalty or not is a subject that has been done several times before whilst I have been on this site. It is like Brexit, Corbyn, Boris, POTUS. etc, etc. People will not change there minds and there’s a fair old chance Fragger will block the thread as once more it will get personal.
 
Sadly, and I don't agree necessarily, but par of the justice system is that a lot of people are imprisoned for murder and other shocking crimes and are then eligible for parole and often released. Does the onus then lie with the parole board to not allow them out or is it the system itself that is flawed in giving them the opportunity of parole in the first place? This is by far and away not the first time a killer has been released (Jamie Bulger killers as an example - is there anything worse than killing a young child) and as that case proved, these people will often go on to reoffend in some form or another. Surely we are simply releasing ticking time bombs and simply sitting on our hands or with fingers firmly crossed hoping nothing else will happen
 
Tashyboy said:
I suggest you check your account as someone has hacked it and put a like on post #19 Under your name. Of it was you it means you like someone’s opinion. someone’s opinion who went against my view. The emotional attatchment is exactly what the family of this murdered pensioner had. If you don’t want to be brought into the thread, you could of done that without giving support to others.

That aside this death penalty or not is a subject that has been done several times before whilst I have been on this site. It is like Brexit, Corbyn, Boris, POTUS. etc, etc. People will not change there minds and there’s a fair old chance Fragger will block the thread as once more it will get personal.
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I think you best check and see who posted post #19

It’s not got anywhere near personal until you added a few usernames into a post
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I think you best check and see who posted post #19

It’s not got anywhere near personal until you added a few usernames into a post
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Tbf he was simply trying to convince people that had made it clear they are against it That they may feel diffeRenton to them.

I never used to be for the penalty. Then I was, and I’ll happily admit it was based on revenge as much as anything else.
 
Tashyboy said:
is there murder rate through drugs or breaking into houses or other factors. I think the later.
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More rambling, your post was knee jerk and made no sense.

Look at the States that have the Death Penalty, deterrent or not, regardless of reason you give.
 
Imurg said:
He's correct in saying Wolf liked post 19.....
#readthepost...
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Ah ? stand corrected on that point but far too many are getting a bit tittsy about people liking posts - Wolf was correct he posted on the thread and should have not been brought it into - indeed people should never go “if it was your mum/grandma etc etc “ - it’s trying to make it personal on a very emotional debate
 
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That’s a reason the “Like” function should be binned, sometimes I have “liked” a post when somebody I disagree with posts a well balanced reasonable reply, it doesn’t mean I agree with them, sometimes it’s a simple acknowledgement.
 
pauldj42 said:
That’s a reason the “Like” function should be binned, sometimes I have “liked” a post when somebody I disagree with posts a well balanced reasonable reply, it doesn’t mean I agree with them, sometimes it’s a simple acknowledgement.
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i Don’t think it’s the button that matters. Just Peo-les understanding of it.

in the scenario you mention. To anyone paying attention your intention would be clear imo
 
Papas1982 said:
i Don’t think it’s the button that matters. Just Peo-les understanding of it.

in the scenario you mention. To anyone paying attention your intention would be clear imo
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Obviously it’s not that clear to all. (y)
 
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