Red/Yellow markings

[Rlburnside]

Just noticed around some of the water around Sawgrass is marked red and some marked yellow, why the difference?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They will have deemed some to be lateral water hazards hence giving the players lateral relief and others just standard water hazards

So red stakes for the lateral and yellow for the standard

They will make it a lateral when the hazard shape makes it hard to take normal relief

 

[Rlburnside]

They will have deemed some to be lateral water hazards hence giving the players lateral relief and others just standard water hazards

So red stakes for the lateral and yellow for the standard

They will make it a lateral when the hazard shape makes it hard to take normal relief

Ok thanks

 

[jim8flog]

Otherwise known as penalty areas

 

[backwoodsman]

Just noticed around some of the water around Sawgrass is marked red and some marked yellow, why the difference?

And you've played golf for how long? Without ever knowing what yellow or red posts are ?

 

[jim8flog]

And you've played golf for how long? Without ever knowing what yellow or red posts are ?

If anybody had just played at a club where there are no penalty areas (formerly water hazards) they would have no reason to learn. Our 18 hole course does not have any.

 

[Orikoru]

And you've played golf for how long? Without ever knowing what yellow or red posts are ?

I still have no idea what the difference is. Not much water on any of the courses I play.

 

[backwoodsman]

If anybody had just played at a club where there are no penalty areas (formerly water hazards) they would have no reason to learn. Our 18 hole course does not have any.

I still have no idea what the difference is. Not much water on any of the courses I play.

Accepted.

But really who has only ever played one course, or never been on a course without a pond or ditch? Well, Riburnside for one it seems.

 

[Orikoru]

Accepted.

But really who has only ever played one course, or never been on a course without a pond or ditch? Well, Riburnside for one it seems.

I'll be honest - on the extremely rare occasion that I've played a course with a pond, and gone in said pond, I have most likely just dropped wherever I thought was an appropriate place to drop and not even registered if it was a yellow or red pond.

 

[Rlburnside]

And you've played golf for how long? Without ever knowing what yellow or red posts are ?

? yea played long enough think I was getting confused with something I read on a WHS thread awhile ago where I thought they were doing away with red and yellow stakes.

 

[rulefan]

? yea played long enough think I was getting confused with something I read on a WHS thread awhile ago where I thought they were doing away with red and yellow stakes.

The Rules of Golf changed water hazards into penalty areas and altered the opposite side relief for red areas.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I think in most cases clubs / courses have defaulted for Red Penalty Areas to avoid confusion.

As Phil said it's only where you have a situation that relief can't be taken using the new rules that yellow will be used.

The amount of water and the nature of it at Sawgrass will have caused the use of both I am sure.

 

[rulie]

What do you mean by that?

Apart from having a club length either side of the line back from the pin, the only real change was that the equidistant opposite margin of a red area is now not an option for where to drop.

Still available if the club or course or competition have implemented the Local Rule to allow it.

 

[Old Skier]

Still available if the club or course or competition have implemented the Local Rule to allow it.

Could you chuck us in the right direction for this one.

 

[rulefan]

Could you chuck us in the right direction for this one.

• Committee Procedures
• • 8 Model Local Rules
    
    • 8B Penalty Areas

B-2 Relief on Opposite Side of Red Penalty Area
Purpose. Rule 17.1 gives a player the option to take lateral relief or back-on-the-line relief based on where his or her ball last crossed the edge of a red penalty area. But in some cases (for example, due to the location of the red penalty area right next to a course boundary), those options may leave the player with no reasonable option other than to take stroke-and-distance relief.

A Committee can introduce a Local Rule to allow lateral relief on the opposite side of the red penalty area as an extra relief option under Rule 17.1d.

When considering a Local Rule to allow additional relief:

• The Committee should consider introducing the Local Rule in situations when a player could be seriously disadvantaged if it was not introduced. Two such examples are:
  • Where a boundary coincides with the edge of a penalty area down the side of a hole such that if a ball last crossed into the penalty area on the boundary side, the player would be likely to have no realistic relief option other than to play again under stroke and distance.
  • Where the layout of the penalty area is such that there could be doubt as to where the ball last crossed into the penalty area and the decision on which side of the penalty area the ball last crossed has a considerable impact on where to take relief. This applies if a relatively narrow penalty area is bounded by bushes or thick rough on one side and fairway on the other.
• It is recommended that the Committee specify the location of specific penalty areas that the Local Rule applies to, rather than applying it to all red penalty areas on the course. This Local Rule should not be used to allow a player to use this opposite side relief option to get across a red penalty area to a more favourable location than is available if only normal lateral relief under Rule 17.1d is used and available.
• It may also be desirable to mark the penalty areas where this option is available in a special way such as putting a different coloured top on any stakes where the extra option is available, and this should be stated in the Local Rule.
• Instead of using this Local Rule, the Committee may decide to put one of more dropping zones in place (see Model Local Rule E-1).

 

[backwoodsman]

• Committee Procedures
• • 8 Model Local Rules
    • 8B Penalty Areas

B-2 Relief on Opposite Side of Red Penalty Area
Purpose. Rule 17.1 gives a player the option to take lateral relief or back-on-the-line relief based on where his or her ball last crossed the edge of a red penalty area. But in some cases (for example, due to the location of the red penalty area right next to a course boundary), those options may leave the player with no reasonable option other than to take stroke-and-distance relief.

A Committee can introduce a Local Rule to allow lateral relief on the opposite side of the red penalty area as an extra relief option under Rule 17.1d.

When considering a Local Rule to allow additional relief:

• The Committee should consider introducing the Local Rule in situations when a player could be seriously disadvantaged if it was not introduced. Two such examples are:
  • Where a boundary coincides with the edge of a penalty area down the side of a hole such that if a ball last crossed into the penalty area on the boundary side, the player would be likely to have no realistic relief option other than to play again under stroke and distance.
  • Where the layout of the penalty area is such that there could be doubt as to where the ball last crossed into the penalty area and the decision on which side of the penalty area the ball last crossed has a considerable impact on where to take relief. This applies if a relatively narrow penalty area is bounded by bushes or thick rough on one side and fairway on the other.
• It is recommended that the Committee specify the location of specific penalty areas that the Local Rule applies to, rather than applying it to all red penalty areas on the course. This Local Rule should not be used to allow a player to use this opposite side relief option to get across a red penalty area to a more favourable location than is available if only normal lateral relief under Rule 17.1d is used and available.
• It may also be desirable to mark the penalty areas where this option is available in a special way such as putting a different coloured top on any stakes where the extra option is available, and this should be stated in the Local Rule.
• Instead of using this Local Rule, the Committee may decide to put one of more dropping zones in place (see Model Local Rule E-1).

We have this on a couple of holes - indicated by the red stakes having a blue "cap"

 

[sunshine]

I still have no idea what the difference is. Not much water on any of the courses I play.

Although you've been a member at Haste Hill which has penalty areas / water hazards on holes 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18

 

[Orikoru]

Although you've been a member at Haste Hill which has penalty areas / water hazards on holes 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18

Presume you're talking about the ditches, in which case I just drop before the ditch - usually in a straight line with the flag. It doesn't occur to me if it's a yellow or red ditch or that there's anything else I'd have to do.

 

[rulefan]

Presume you're talking about the ditches, in which case I just drop before the ditch - usually in a straight line with the flag. It doesn't occur to me if it's a yellow or red ditch or that there's anything else I'd have to do.

I take it that you misspelt 'always' unless you sometimes take S&D

 

[Orikoru]

I take it that you misspelt 'always' unless you sometimes take S&D

You can also have a club length from where it entered the hazard not nearer the hole can't you? Example being a vertical ditch down the right hand side of the hole, you can't really go straight line to the flag from there if it doesn't get you out of the ditch or potentially puts you out of bounds. Horizontal ditches then yes always.