Quick poll on your new handicap index

[rulefan]

I got it here: http://howdidido.blob.core.windows.net/clubsitespublic/file_0c1d6a8c-eb4f-4a8e-b1b3-827c02db93bf.pdf
Quote: All golfers will be provided with a HANDICAP INDEX (HI) when the WHS comes into operation. This handicap index (HI) will be calculated from the player’s best 8 differentials of his/her last 20 rounds multiplied by 96%, and will be shown to one decimal point.
This seems to equate to my HI. If I take an average of my counting Score Diffs it comes out 0.7 higher than my HI. When multiplied by 96% it comes out right.
I am guessing this is to calculate your first HI and then after this it’s simply an average of your best 8 Score Differentials from your last 20?

Goodness knows where Sidcup GC got that from. It does not appear on their website. But I notice it includes the following:-

"Players will be able to see their expected Transition Handicap on screen when the handicapping software is updated in Spring 2019. Players are encouraged to submit plenty of scores between now and 2020 ..........."


There is no mention of 96% in the table for determining an initial Index (Rule 5.2)

I wonder if you have not allowed for the fact that the transition software did not allow for the possible difference between SSS and CSS.

 

[Sweep]

Goodness knows where Sidcup GC got that from. It does not appear on their website. But I notice it includes the following:-

"Players will be able to see their expected Transition Handicap on screen when the handicapping software is updated in Spring 2019. Players are encouraged to submit plenty of scores between now and 2020 ..........."


There is no mention of 96% in the table for determining an initial Index (Rule 5.2)

I wonder if you have not allowed for the fact that the transition software did not allow for the possible difference between SSS and CSS.

Many thanks. I must say I thought it was strange and It could of course be a very old webpage. Just coincidence that it worked out for my index.
I only really looked because I added up all my counting Score Differentials and the average didn’t equal my index, so I was making sure I understood correctly that going forward it is the average of your best 8 from last 20 Score Differentials that forms your Handicap Index?
I am sure the reason my current average doesn’t equate to my HI is very possibly due to the transition software not allowing for the difference between SSS and CSS. I can’t think of another reason. Do you know when this will be resolved?

 

[IanM]

Looks like it’s only taken a few scores and ignored the rest. Only 2 scores have a green dot next to them. (As in used). Wonder why it did that? It’s missed lots of qualifiers.

Is it another ”wait till 2nd Nov” foible?

 

[Foxholer]

No I’m not, my current index would give me a higher handicap at Woodhall and most clubs around me with slopes of 130 or less I’d be playing off a lower handicap than my current handicap based at my home club on my current index.

Which is exactly the way it's meant to work!

But your reference to 'additional' shots for visitors to your place certainly has the implication that their 'Handicap' is being boosted (compared to their handicap at their home course) even though it could be the same as your own! And that's exactly the way the system is meant to work!

 

[rulefan]

Do you know when this will be resolved?

They say on the night of the live run. They are not publishing any test runs in the meantime.

 

[Sweep]

They say on the night of the live run. They are not publishing any test runs in the meantime.

That’s great. Thanks. Only a week to go so we will wait and see.

 

[MarkT]

Was on 23
New HC is 26 off the whites
25 off the yellows

Imurg is up 3 to 9 and CVG is up 5 to 18, but he is a grandad.

We are playing a bounce game tomorrow and will try out the new numbers and report back ?

How did the game go with the new handicaps?

 

[SimonC]

CONGU 5.0
WHS 1.7
Course slope 123
Par 68
Course rating 68.6
Playing handicap 2

Seems like a big drop in my handicap, think I may struggle to win anything at my home course now.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

How did the game go with the new handicaps?

Post 46 is your friend ??

I’d hate to repeat it and wind him up even more ?

 

[Ssshank]

My index has fallen from 4.0 to 2.2.

What's worrying is this could potentially fall lower as my best score hasn't been taken into account.
The system has recorded the round as 67 over par being played off the ladies tees when I shot 1 under off the back tees, what a system =).

 

[clubchamp98]

What I don’t understand is ,I have been playing my course for years , every comp so playing off 6 is my correct cap.
But under WHS I am at a stroke now off 7.
Was the Congu handicap Wrong all those years.

 

[Crazyface]

Congu 20
Index 18.4

On the course I play the slope adjusts it to 20 so when I play at home there is no change. That makes sense when I think about it.

ditto mine. All seems good.......apart from the local course ratings.

 

[Imurg]

Post 46 is your friend ??

I’d hate to repeat it and wind him up even more ?

Not going to mention today off real handicaps then..

 

[Sweep]

What I don’t understand is ,I have been playing my course for years , every comp so playing off 6 is my correct cap.
But under WHS I am at a stroke now off 7.
Was the Congu handicap Wrong all those years.

Your CONGU Handicap and your WHS Handicap Index are not the same thing and shouldn’t be confused.
Much depends on the Stroke Index of your course and tees you play off and what was /is the SSS / CSS.
Your index is just the number that’s you use to determine your course handicap.

 

[harpo_72]

Not going to mention today off real handicaps then..

What’s a real handicap now?

 

[Imurg]

What’s a real handicap now?

Until next Monday - your CONGU one....

 

[harpo_72]

Until next Monday - your CONGU one....

I suspect it still will be given the fun and games in the calculation... feels like the higher handicaps are getting given a lot more shots, the mids fluctuate a bit and the lows can all be on tour ... but that’s just a quick preliminary assessment, which hopefully will change.

 

[BubbaP]

Haven't done the poll as still not clear on what question the OP is asking.

To borrow from elsewhere:

Your Handicap Index is course independent.
Your Course Handicap is course specific.
Your Playing Handicap is course and format specific.

One layer at a time.

 

[jim8flog]

EDIT:

I understand it will still be the players responsibility to ensure his/her handicap is correct. On the rare occasion two separate competition rounds are played on the same day, players will need to know how to calculate their handicap correctly, so they may need this information.

Your HI remains the same for the whole day. There is no longer any need to self adjust.

 

[jim8flog]

What I don’t understand is ,I have been playing my course for years , every comp so playing off 6 is my correct cap.
But under WHS I am at a stroke now off 7.
Was the Congu handicap Wrong all those years.

It could be the remeasure of the course

How does the Course Rating compare against the SSS/CSS.
Do not forget that there appears to be a problem with conversions taking in to account CSS.

We have along and a short course with different SSSs and Course Ratings and Slopes but checking individual scores this has not been taken in to account.