Quick poll on your new handicap index

[rulefan]

Just checked my HI again today, and it has dropped from 20.4 to 19.2, which seems to suggest they have now taken CSS into consideration as I have not played any rounds since, and around 19.0 was where I expected to go to.

EDIT: Actually, no it hasn't taken it into account when I look at my scores in hdid - so I have no idea why it has moved.

Very confusing!

Are you sure it has changed? They weren't go to do another run 'til Nov 1-2

 

[Doubleshank]

Congu 6.8 WHS HI 1.3!!!!
slope 126
5 comp scores in the system since returning back to golf this year 79, 85, 72, 87, 79 (sss 71)
seems only the freak 72 is being used in the calc...mental.

 

[Old Skier]

Congu 6.8 WHS HI 1.3!!!!
slope 126
5 comp scores in the system since returning back to golf this year 79, 85, 72, 87, 79 (sss 71)
seems only the freak 72 is being used in the calc...mental.

Cant access the info yet but if memory serves there is a sliding scale for how many cards are counted depending on how many you have and I believe up to 5=1 6 goes to 2 and upwards.

Have you registered on the EG site yet and the cards used will be highlighted.

 

[Doubleshank]

Cant access the info yet but if memory serves there is a sliding scale for how many cards are counted depending on how many you have and I believe up to 5=1 6 goes to 2 and upwards.

Have you registered on the EG site yet and the cards used will be highlighted.

Yes only 1 card of 5 is highlighted on the EG site - the 72.
so potentially if 2 of six cards are used my HI could go up significantl?

 

[Old Skier]

@Doubleshank

 

[Doubleshank]

Thanks for that, no chance of winning anything for a long time then! At least I can tell the kids I was once a 1 handicap. Haha

 

[Sweep]

Seems to me as if some on here are just nit picking. Did you ask so many questions about your congu H/C? No you just accepted it for what is was. Now something new comes along and WOAH !!!!! throw your hand up in the air. LordY LOrdY Lordy.

You've got a new H/C. You go to the course to play. The course you are to play has a big BIG MASSIVE list up to show you what H/C to use at their course. Away to go.

For Gods sake how bluddy hard are you making all this ?

I think you make a fair point, but I think we could see this coming.
Most golfers, I think, are content to just see what the computer says and play from there. However, it has possibly been overlooked that very keen golfers most often track their handicap. It’s important to them. They try very hard to reduce it (usually) and it’s a big part of their main recreational activity. The new system makes tracking much more difficult if not impossible. The good side to this is that it makes manipulation harder.

We are all used to the CONGU system, we know when we will get a cut and by how many and when we get 0.1 back. So when a new system comes out that throws out a new handicap keen golfers want to know the reasons behind their new number. I think we can accept that most people on here fall into the category of keen golfer, so there was bound to be a lot of discussion.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think you make a fair point, but I think we could see this coming.
Most golfers, I think, are content to just see what the computer says and play from there. However, it has possibly been overlooked that very keen golfers most often track their handicap. It’s important to them. They try very hard to reduce it (usually) and it’s a big part of their main recreational activity. The new system makes tracking much more difficult if not impossible. The good side to this is that it makes manipulation harder.

We are all used to the CONGU system, we know when we will get a cut and by how many and when we get 0.1 back. So when a new system comes out that throws out a new handicap keen golfers want to know the reasons behind their new number. I think we can accept that most people on here fall into the category of keen golfer, so there was bound to be a lot of discussion.

This exactly .
Worked to get back to 6 cap again but on Nov 2nd I am off 7.
Course hasn’t got any harder.

 

[jim8flog]

CONGU 13.2
INDEX 11.1
95% off the whites = 10.4
3 shots gone and the lowest playing handicap I've ever had!!
don't know whether to laugh or cry

What is your course slope rating - remember it is (H.I x Slope Rating/113) for your Course Handicap which you then get 95%.


Edit- just seen somebody else already pointed this out.

 

[ExRabbit]

Are you sure it has changed? They weren't go to do another run 'til Nov 1-2

Yes - I know our h/cap sec very well and he asked me to check mine as soon as it went live, and it was 20.4 then.

 

[Swango1980]

Current Handicap = 8.4
Handicap Index = 8.9, Course handicap Whites (133) = 10.5

Just when we came out of lockdown, I shot 2 consecutive rounds close to par, Exceptional Score Reduction, and handicap was 5.8. That was 49 rounds ago, and WHS indicated my Index would have been cut to 6.4 after that 2nd round. I have been pretty poor since. By August my Congu handicap had gone to 8.7 (Index would have gone up to 9.8). However, I had a good couple of weeks in September. with 3 79's followed by a 72. That got my Congu handicap back to 8.1, my Index would have gone to 8.4.

After my last round, my index went from 8.4 to 8.9, even though my latest round made by best 8. This is because lost a lower round than that, from 21 rounds ago. However, my oldest 7 rounds now do not feature in my top 8. so that looks like I am in a position to get some cuts if I can get the odd decent round in.

 

[Tommy10]

CONGU 21.9
WHS 19.3

Course rating 71.9, slope is 132 so i'll be playing off 23 from whites but with 95% for strokeplay i'll be playing off 22

 

[clubchamp98]

Since I've got > 20 scores this wasn't really on my radar until now.

This is great - I was worried about some of our high handicappers who don't have many qualifying comps and looked like getting big increases but the method above will mitigate that!

Not so sure.
Guy at mine only four cards in has gone from 19.5 to 34 cap.
He is fuming ,only found out this morning.

Another has gone 14 cards , 21.3 to 33 cap.
He’s not to happy either.
Great discussion on first tee .
“ I am not playing in the sweep with them two next week “ was very loud.
One of our ladies has gone from 38 to 60 ?.?

 

[clubchamp98]

I looked at "improving" high handicappers who'd been cut recently and I feared they were just going to go back up. Not so under this formula.

This method actually keeps handicaps of those with a low number of cards lower than they would with the average of the best 8. I obviously haven't seen the data but if your guy with 14 cards averaged his best 8 it'd come out higher than 33.

The guy with four cards in - that means the best of those was +35! What does he expect? He needs to play better and put some cards in!

He’s a new member .
But put 3 cards in and they gave him a 20 cap.
Don’t know what his scores were but 20 sounds harsh if you look at his WHS one.

 

[peld]

im 15.2 therefore 15c, and my HI will be 14.8.

However at my club where we have two courses, ill play off 11, 12 , 16 or 18 !!!

 

[Sweep]

This exactly .
Worked to get back to 6 cap again but on Nov 2nd I am off 7.
Course hasn’t got any harder.

What is the slope index of your course? Have you checked what your course handicap will be? If your course has a high slope index, you may get that shot back in your course handicap.

Remember too that most comps will have an adjustment (eg medal I think is 95%) which will have been factored in.
I know what you mean though. It’s hard to take when you have put a lot of effort into getting your handicap down.

 

[clubchamp98]

What is the slope index of your course? Have you checked what your course handicap will be? If your course has a high slope index, you may get that shot back in your course handicap.

Remember too that most comps will have an adjustment (eg medal I think is 95%) which will have been factored in.
I know what you mean though. It’s hard to take when you have put a lot of effort into getting your handicap down.

129 slope.
Can’t belive some of the gains / losses from others though.
Just have to wait for it all to settle down.
Be some interesting scores early doors next year.

 

[peld]

do supplementary cards count?
I currently have 6 counting cards but put a supplementary in at the weekend which hasnt shown. It'll drop my index by 0.2, which will then cost me a shot!

 

[Old Skier]

do supplementary cards count?
I currently have 6 counting cards but put a supplementary in at the weekend which hasnt shown. It'll drop my index by 0.2, which will then cost me a shot!

Should be uploaded 1 Nov

 

[MarkT]

Here's the piece, thanks to all. Sure there will be plenty to nibble away at and scratch our heads at in the coming months

https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news...onthly-forum-reacts-to-new-whs-indexes-210053