Question for papyt....

[chrisd]

Re: Question for baby....

its how you look for it!!! here is a scenario for you, last hole of the club match play knockout, all square,you tee off and hit a ok shot down the right your opponent carves his driver deep into trouble on the left,WHAT IS YOUR FIRST THOUGHT------------

Ok - to answer your question

My first thought - great that gives me a chance.

I would still look properly for his ball though and if I found it for him and he played a wonder shot and won, I would congratulate him with good grace!

 

[BTatHome]

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so telling someone" it's in the " and them asking " should i play another?" and you saying "do what you want i'm not telling you" is in the spirit of the game?

Well if you answer like that then its your issue really.

"could be in the woods/rough" and "only if you think it might be lost" would probably be more in the spirit, but I can see that your answers to most questions are to support your own viewpoint

Helping to find their ball might be more in the spirit too.

 

[Crow]

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I believe telling someone where it went is not a problem, but advising them to play another ball, or a provisional is.

The easy way around this is to phrase it as a question, "Are you going to play a provisional?".

 

[Hobbit]

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so telling someone" it's in the " and them asking " should i play another?" and you saying "do what you want i'm not telling you" is in the spirit of the game?

Spirit of the game should also include helping them find their ball.

And my answer for, "should I play another" has always been "I would." That way its not advice.

 

[jammydodger]

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If you win then do it with dignity , if you lose then do exactly the same. You can tell more about someone by the manner in which they take a loss than a win. I've met many folks on this forum and I know they feel the same way about this...they would all rather lose and be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience than win in a manner that leaves a sour taste in the mouth. You may play by the rules and thats fine but there are many nuances in this game where a little humility, common sense and downright fair play go a lot further and make life a little easier to cope with.

 

[papyt]

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Ok - to answer your question

My first thought - great that gives me a chance.

I would still look properly for his ball though and if I found it for him and he played a wonder shot and won, I would congratulate him with good grace!

how many people on here would have the first thought,i hope he has lost it,i never said don't look for it and i still say by human nature alone you would not try as hard to find it as if it was your own ball no matter what anyone writes on here,how many look at the watch when looking for their own but are quick to say " it could have gone anywhere"or "i think its gone and your 5 mins is up" when its an opponents

 

[chrisd]

Re: Question for baby....

On rule 8 - 1

I don't think that suggesting that a player may like to play a provisional is classed as giving advice. You are entitled to give advice as to the rules and therefore if you said that "under the rules of golf you could play a provisional ball... " I don't see how you could be penalised

 

[chrisd]

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how many people on here would have the first thought,i hope he has lost it,i never said don't look for it and i still say by human nature alone you would not try as hard to find it as if it was your own ball no matter what anyone writes on here,how many look at the watch when looking for their own but are quick to say " it could have gone anywhere"or "i think its gone and your 5 mins is up" when its an opponents

Sorry Papyt, I think that you are judging all other players by your own pretty low standards!

 

[BTatHome]

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quick search found this .....

Decision 8-1/16
Suggesting to Competitor That He Deem His Ball Unplayable

Q.B's ball was lying badly. B was deliberating what action to take when A, his fellow-competitor, said: "You have no shot at all. If I were you, I would deem the ball unplayable." Was A giving advice, contrary to Rule 8-1?

A.Yes. A's suggestion could have influenced B "in determining his play." Thus, it constituted advice - see Definition of "Advice." It did not constitute "information on the Rules," which is not advice.

I guess it very much depends on how you say it.

EDIT, just found another question on another site saying that suggesting a player play a provisional is NOT considered advice.

 

[Hobbit]

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If you win then do it with dignity , if you lose then do exactly the same. You can tell more about someone by the manner in which they take a loss than a win. I've met many folks on this forum and I know they feel the same way about this...they would all rather lose and be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience than win in a manner that leaves a sour taste in the mouth. You may play by the rules and thats fine but there are many nuances in this game where a little humility, common sense and downright fair play go a lot further and make life a little easier to cope with.

The winds of common sense come howling through like a hurricane.

Jammy, I've not had the pleasure of your company but I'd happily buy you a beer any day of the week.

 

[papyt]

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Sorry Pappy, I think that you are judging all other players by your own pretty low standards!

so what you are saying is you have never thought " miss that put" or "duff that chip" when an opponent is taking a shot,to be honest with you i find that hard to believe and i challenge anyone on this forum who has played golf to say they haven't,i also take offence to the tone you have taken against me personally,just because i don't jump into a muddy ditch to try and find an opponents ball how can that give me low standards,you play with your forum buddy's what ever way you like i play like i do and if playing by the rules ( how ever you wish to interpret them ) that's fine,i think you will find more golfers would think like i do if they were honest enough and didn't just say what they thought was what others would like to hear.

 

[Robobum]

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If you win then do it with dignity , if you lose then do exactly the same. You can tell more about someone by the manner in which they take a loss than a win. I've met many folks on this forum and I know they feel the same way about this...they would all rather lose and be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience than win in a manner that leaves a sour taste in the mouth. You may play by the rules and thats fine but there are many nuances in this game where a little humility, common sense and downright fair play go a lot further and make life a little easier to cope with.

Papyt - read and digest, this response oozes class.

 

[Heidi]

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i will happily skip into the rough to look for the ball - ladies are not as strong as men and often the very high handicaps struggle from the rough

 

[chrisd]

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Papyt - read and digest, this response oozes class.

As much as it does ooze class Robo, I suspect that Papyt does sleep with a clear concience because it's clear from his postings that he genuinely believes that his warped sense of how to conduct himself on the course is, by his standards - the right way!

 

[papyt]

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Papi - read and digest, this response oozes class.

i have read it,firstly i resent the tone of some of the posts that seem to make out im a cheat,i have no problem with losing as i lose more times than i win,i play golf in the spirit of the game and have done on and off for over 35 years so i don't need a lecture in how to conduct myself on or off the course,i play golf the way i do and i cant see what it has to do with anyone else,the trouble with some on here is they don't post what they think,i do and i'm sorry if it goes against what you think but i'm not going to lie just to fit in on some subjects am i alone in thinking the way i do most definitely not i just seem to be the lone wolf who says things others don't wish to hear,golf is played by normal people not just by saints and vicars.

 

[BTatHome]

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Papyt, what is the spirit of the game that you mention. The reason I ask is that the whole thread started with the idea that you might not be looking for an opponents ball because they didn't hit a provisional? Why would you not look? Surely it makes no difference at all.

Is this the spirit of the game that you hold up to?

 

[chrisd]

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i have read it,firstly i resent the tone of some of the posts that seem to make out im a cheat,i have no problem with losing as i lose more times than i win,i play golf in the spirit of the game and have done on and off for over 35 years so i don't need a lecture in how to conduct myself on or off the course,i play golf the way i do and i cant see what it has to do with anyone else,the trouble with some on here is they don't post what they think,i do and i'm sorry if it goes against what you think but i'm not going to lie just to fit in on some subjects am i alone in thinking the way i do most definitely not i just seem to be the lone wolf who says things others don't wish to hear,golf is played by normal people not just by saints and vicars.

Surely you must have deduced from the tone of peoples replies that the majority here do not agree with you in the slightest and, as much as you have the right to say what you think, it is a forum and that, I believe gives us the right to tell you that we believe you to be utterly wrong in your views of how to conduct yourself on the course.

If you really do conduct yourself in the manner put forward on here I am sure that you would not be a welcome golfer with many for us! However, I havn't read that anyone has called you a cheat!

 

[bladeplayer]

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Just a question based on the other thread...


You are playing a matchplay comp and after teeing off down the middle on the 1st your opponent hits his into the rough.... do you just stand by your ball in the middle of the fairway?

nope, you set that standard & tone & keep it unless your opponent changes it

Intensity .... Is the a new level of searching I have missed. Surely your either looking for it or your not?

no theres looking for the ball & going throught the motions of looking ..

I'm with this old codger, I look for others balls as I would look for my own, up until such point where I notice they are not returning the favour

agreed OS :thup:

For me, looking for an opponents ball is just as much a part of golf etiquette as repairing a pitchmark or holding the flag. To not do so is quite sad but isn't untypical of the attitude of a growing number of people who play golf - I won't call them golfers.

As long as it is returned

how many people on here would have the first thought,i hope he has lost it,

guilty

so what you are saying is you have never thought " miss that put" or "duff that chip" when an opponent is taking a shot,to be honest with you i find that hard to believe and i challenge anyone on this forum who has played golf to say they haven't,.

I have so yeah im guilty ha

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

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papyt

In all honesty, I really feel sorry for you. It comes across that when you are on the golf course, the ONLY thing that matters to you is winning. You are missing out on so many aspects of the game. Try enjoying the companionship, the fresh air, the company, the comaraderie.

Sure we all want to win but I can genuinely say I have spent days on the golf course when I've not played my best or played well but lost to someone that has played better. Good company and good banter can still make those days very enjoyable.

With your attitude you are only denying yourself many of the pleasures of the game.

My advice to you is simple. Lighten up and enjoy EVERYTHING that this wonderful game has to offer :thup:r

 

[chrisd]

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so what you are saying is you have never thought " miss that put" or "duff that chip" when an opponent is taking a shot,to be honest with you i find that hard to believe and i challenge anyone on this forum who has played golf to say they haven't,i also take offence to the tone you have taken against me personally,just because i don't jump into a muddy ditch to try and find an opponents ball how can that give me low standards,you play with your forum buddy's what ever way you like i play like i do and if playing by the rules ( how ever you wish to interpret them ) that's fine,i think you will find more golfers would think like i do if they were honest enough and didn't just say what they thought was what others would like to hear.

You are mixing up two issues - inner thoughts (miss that putt) with actual poor ettiquette (not looking for a ball). No one has suggested that you jump into a muddy ditch but you own posting have convinced me that you have low standards of ettiquette simply because I read what you wrote and that is my opinion.

I have played with a number of the forum members and they have, without exception, been top guys and there isn't one who I wouldn't welcome a game with on any day of the week but then none of them have refused to search for a lost ball or taken a high handed attitude to higher handicappers.

It isn't that you said what you think - it's what you think that I so disagree with!