Push-Fade

therod said:
Snelly is perfectly within his right to question if knowing the principles of the theory actually make for better golf. I reckon that is a valid part of the debate

it's a little dismissive to say 'don't read it' on an open forum.

there are some really good golfers on here who enjoy a technical debate, some others who, imo, see it as a magic bullet. Something to latch onto in preference to grasping the basics, having any hand/eye coordination :D

but seeing as I'm not supposed to be reading this, never mind posting. I won't mention that to my mind it's a little 'Emperors new clothes'
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I didn't mention Snelly anywhere, or any other individual come to that. I was just saying that if people dont like reading debates on the technicalities of golf then they dont have to, there is no reason for it to get up their noses. I dont like Footy so I ignore any debates on it. Taking up your own argument then I guess I am perfectly within my right to question if not knowing the principles of the theory actually make for worse golf.
 
SocketRocket said:
Taking up your own argument then I guess I am perfectly within my right to question if not knowing the principles of the theory actually make for worse golf.
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perfectly within your right :thup:

I guess maybe the main issue is that we fall into maybe 3 categories . those that don't buy into the technicality, those that want to, but can't quite grasp it & those like yourself & James that are really passionate about it. Invariably it ends up the the final group discussing the different types of fade :confused:

I can hit a fade with anything but driver on demand but I couldn't tell you if it was a pull fade, push fade, fade fade, slice fade etc etc etc I know it starts left & ends up right, (and is controlled) Maybe I'm a worse golfer because of it, at least I have my sanity ;)
 
therod said:
I can hit a fade with anything but driver on demand but I couldn't tell you if it was a pull fade, push fade, fade fade, slice fade etc etc etc I know it starts left & ends up right, (and is controlled) Maybe I'm a worse golfer because of it, at least I have my sanity ;)
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Not sure your shanks count as a fade on demand.:mad:
 
Stuey01 said:
If I've got this right I think it's:

3)Align your club on the bunker, and your body even further left than that. then the ball will start on the bunk and move right toward the flag.
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Is correct Stuey... and so is No2

2) Align myself to the bunker, my club to the left side of the green and swing normally.
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(subject to correct impact conditions in both cases)
 
JustOne said:
Not sure it's brainwashing, the ideal shot is a push-draw (especially with an iron)... if you can't do that OR prefer to hit a fade then it should be a PUSH-fade. Either way it's a push... (the ball is hit with a swing that comes from the inside and pushes the ball to the right).
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During this push to the right caused by the swing path, if I have the face open to this path that will cause a push fade, and if closed to the path, a push draw?...........


….....and isn't this the 'old' ball flight laws?
 
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Pro Zach said:
During this push to the right caused by the swing path, if I have the face open to this path that will cause a push fade, and if closed to the path, a push draw?...........


….....and isn't this the 'old' ball flight laws.
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Good shout... it wasn't written very clearly and makes it seem that I was suggesting the path pushes the ball to the right. It should say that BOTH shots are pushes, and the path comes from the inside (in relation to the player, I hasten to add).

No, it's not old laws as that would say to swing more right to start the ball more right.. which wouldn't work if you were trying to hit a push-fade unless you had the face severely wide open..... :mad:

(All things being equal and inside path does hit the ball to the right but only 15% in comparisson to the clubface. On a swing path with a 0 degree HSP (zero'd out path) the ball should be struck before the point of tangency and subsequently (without any manipulation) the clubface would be pointing a fraction to the right and the descending AoA (if any) adds a further movement to the right, so all balls would effectively be pushed to the right with an inside path into the ball, such that to hit a straight shot the HSP actually needs to be a few degrees left aligned...... don't know if that helps?) :mad:
 
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JustOne said:
Good shout... it wasn't written very clearly and makes it seem that I was suggesting the path pushes the ball to the right. It should say that BOTH shots are pushes, and the path comes from the inside (in relation to the player, I hasten to add).

No, it's not old laws as that would say to swing more right to start the ball more right.. which wouldn't work if you were trying to hit a push-fade unless you had the face severely wide open..... :mad:

(All things being equal and inside path does hit the ball to the right but only 15% in comparisson to the clubface. On a swing path with a 0 degree HSP (zero'd out path) the ball should be struck before the point of tangency and subsequently (without any manipulation) the clubface would be pointing a fraction to the right and the descending AoA (if any) adds a further movement to the right, so all balls would effectively be pushed to the right with an inside path into the ball, such that to hit a straight shot the HSP actually needs to be a few degrees left aligned...... don't know if that helps?) :mad:
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Jeez! :confused:
 
JustOne said:
Good shout... it wasn't written very clearly and makes it seem that I was suggesting the path pushes the ball to the right. It should say that BOTH shots are pushes, and the path comes from the inside (in relation to the player, I hasten to add).

No, it's not old laws as that would say to swing more right to start the ball more right.. which wouldn't work if you were trying to hit a push-fade unless you had the face severely wide open..... :mad:

(All things being equal and inside path does hit the ball to the right but only 15% in comparisson to the clubface. On a swing path with a 0 degree HSP (zero'd out path) the ball should be struck before the point of tangency and subsequently (without any manipulation) the clubface would be pointing a fraction to the right and the descending AoA (if any) adds a further movement to the right, so all balls would effectively be pushed to the right with an inside path into the ball, such that to hit a straight shot the HSP actually needs to be a few degrees left aligned...... don't know if that helps?) :mad:
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Eh?
 
JustOne said:
(All things being equal and inside path does hit the ball to the right but only 15% in comparisson to the clubface. On a swing path with a 0 degree HSP (zero'd out path) the ball should be struck before the point of tangency and subsequently (without any manipulation) the clubface would be pointing a fraction to the right and the descending AoA (if any) adds a further movement to the right, so all balls would effectively be pushed to the right with an inside path into the ball, such that to hit a straight shot the HSP actually needs to be a few degrees left aligned...... don't know if that helps?) :mad:
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James. You are a very nasty guy!

You've just added another dimension!

I don't believe you are masochistic enough to explain D-Plane! Do you want to buy some hula hoops?
 
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After reading this thread I have decided to just step up to a ball and whack it, whatever happens is destiny and I will just deal with it as it comes...

If through my practice I end up being a fader, great I will go with it, but if I draw, thats just perfect too.
 
ScienceBoy said:
After reading this thread I have decided to just step up to a ball and whack it, whatever happens is destiny and I will just deal with it as it comes...

If through my practice I end up being a fader, great I will go with it, but if I draw, thats just perfect too.
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After reading this thread I have decided to take up bowls instead of golf.
 
We took out a friend of ours for her first ever time on a golf course, after having lessons at a range.

Grip. Poor
Stance. Open
Swing. Ungainly
Shot shape. All over the shop.
Her enjoyment. Immense .
 
upsidedown said:
We took out a friend of ours for her first ever time on a golf course, after having lessons at a range.

Grip. Poor
Stance. Open
Swing. Ungainly
Shot shape. All over the shop.
Her enjoyment. Immense .
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Good point. I think sometimes as golfers we need to stop worrying about what is wrong, and focus on enjoying what is right.
 
joe nustedt said:
Good point. I think sometimes as golfers we need to stop worrying about what is wrong, and focus on enjoying what is right.
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Depends how good you are, ....or how good you want to get.

My missus throws darts at a dart board down the pub and misses the entire board quite often!!!.......she enjoys it... but that's not how rubbish I want to be..... I'm working on my 9 dart finish! :p

Lot's of people on this forum have done enough in their golf and aren't really interested in getting any better. Lot's of talk of course, but no real goal to actually get any better. That's their perrogative, but not everyone's.
 
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There is a small handful of good golfers on here that I would take technical advice from......and a large number that talk absolute crap.
 
JustOne said:
Depends how good you are, ....or how good you want to get.
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I disagree. In fact, in my mind, the best way to improve both physically and mentally is to focus on perfecting the elements of your game that you are good at/enjoy (the 2 often being in correlation), and to pay less attention to your perceived flaws.
 
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