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Had a new golden retriever puppy for about 3 weeks now, the little blighter had Parvo virus and was seriously ill at the vets for 10 days or so .... as a result he’s behind on his jabs and can’t go out yet.

He was in a cage at the vets so his trading to go outside to the toilet is not as advanced as it should be... anyone got any tips to stop him peeing on the pads in the hallway ? He’s still doing it seconds after coming back inside, even going there if we moved the pads to nearer the door or take them away...
 
We never used pads
Took the puppy out in the back garden ( a lot) and rewarded

She is a beagle. Collected her at 12 weeks.

It’s a few years ago now, but I think we had 3 accidents with wee and never a no2. She learnt really quick, considering at the breeders they used pads but everything I read said don’t use them, they get used to them and think it’s the right thing.
 
every time they have a pee take them outside, they will soon learn. we also had a masking spray, to cover up any scent from any prev pee, well worth getting that too
 
jobr1850 said:
We never used pads
Took the puppy out in the back garden ( a lot) and rewarded

She is a beagle. Collected her at 12 weeks.

It’s a few years ago now, but I think we had 3 accidents with wee and never a no2. She learnt really quick, considering at the breeders they used pads but everything I read said don’t use them, they get used to them and think it’s the right thing.
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Crikey Jon, she's better trained than you ! 😀
 
You've got to get the smell of the pee out of the carpet, he'll smell that and think that's the place to do it.

Take him out after playing, eating and sleeping. You can't overdo the praise either when he does his business outside, we must have looked like loons the amount we praised our lab every time he went in the garden.

Pads were useless for us, he used to just eat them.
 
No pads. Just gives them the message that going inside is ok. Ignore any accidents and when they go outside act as if you just won the lottery. Take them out even more frequently than you are and you think they need. You can try teaching them to ring a bell once they understand they need to go outside only and let you know they need out. You get sort of strings of bells you attach to the door handle.
 
Copied this from a great group on Facebook (Dog Training Advice and Support):

Toilet training is all about creating good habits. Young pups have very small bladders and very little bladder control so they need to be in the right place when nature calls. To toilet train successfully in as short a time as possible you must take your puppy to the garden:
  • When they wake
  • After eating
  • After taking a drink
  • Before, during and after a period of activity
  • When you come in
  • Before you go out
  • Before bedtime
  • During the adverts
  • And every twenty to thirty minutes in between unless they are asleep. During periods of activity change that to every ten to twenty minutes.
Stay outside with your pup. Do not nag or distract him just mooch about and he will do the same and eventually eliminate. Quiet praise is sufficient.
Once pup has eliminated you can either stay out and play or go back indoors. If you stay out for a game then he will often need to go again before you go back indoors so stop the game and stay out for a while longer to give him a chance to go again. Don’t stay out for too long if it is cold, raining or you are getting frustrated. Go back in and try again in a while. It is always better for the pup to pee/poo as soon as you take them outside rather than half an hour later. This will speed up the learning process.
If you have to take him back in and he hasn’t eliminated outside then either confine him to his crate, sit him on your lap or tuck him under your arm (small breeds only) as you go about your chores and try again in five minutes.
It is imperative that you do this, especially if you have started off with newspaper down or puppy pads because your puppy may prefer to pee indoors and he could simply be waiting to be taken back in. Give him zero opportunity to go wrong.
If your puppy toilets in the house it is because you haven’t toilet trained him yet and didn’t take him outside when he needed to go. When this happens take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head whilst repeating the words “I forgot to watch my puppy. I forgot to watch my puppy” If your puppy laughs at you when you do this – praise him.

Common mistakes during toilet training.
  • Using newspaper or puppy training pads. Whilst it may aid the clearing up process it can be very confusing for the pup that is taught or permitted to toilet in the house to make the transition to going outside and will often result in a pup that when playing in the garden will simply hold on until they are back indoors because that is where the toilet is.
  • Leaving the door open. This does nothing to teach the pup to toilet outside only.
  • Reprimands for toileting in the house will result in a dog that believes you disapprove of what he did not where he did it and is damaging to your relationship with your pup.
  • Giving treats for toileting in the garden, again the dog is being rewarded for what he did not where he did it. Whilst this is not going to be as big a problem as the reprimand, the clever dog will learn to do lots of little wees and never fully empty their bladder. The insecure dog may wee indoors to appease you if you get cross about something else because they know that this is something that pleases you and gets rewarded. NB using both reprimands and rewards is very confusing for your pup.
  • Expecting your pup to tell you when he needs to go out. Once a pup understands that outside is where the toilet is then he may start to let you know he needs out. However if you are not there to ask or you fail to notice him asking then the housetraining will break down. Far better to have a dog go out to the toilet on your schedule once they are house trained.
  • Giving your pup an ensuite in his crate. Do not encourage your pup to toilet in his crate by putting puppy pads in there. If you have to leave puppy for a while and he is going to need to go then best to have the crate inside a larger pen or blocked off area and leave the crate door open so that he can get away from his bed to toilet.
N.B. Areas indoors where pup has had an accident are best cleaned with a dilute of biological washing powder. Avoid using disinfectant as this contains ammonia and can encourage pup to pee there again.
Overnight.
Young pups will need to go to the toilet once or twice in the night for anything from a few days to a few weeks. If your pup is sleeping in a crate in the bedroom with you then they will wake and should let you know they need to go out. Carry pup to the garden to eliminate and then straight back to bed again. A few nights of this and it will take you longer to find your slippers because of sleep deprivation and consequently pup is learning to hold on and will soon be sleeping all night. If you choose to leave puppy in the kitchen or utility room to sleep then do not shut them in a crate and simply clean up in the morning without comment.
Why punishment does not work for house training.
A typical morning in the life of an 8 week old pup.
7:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present. Gets praised
7.30am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner present. Gets a reprimand
8:15am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner not present. Nothing happens except relief
9:00am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner present. Gets a reprimand
9:30 am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner not present. Nothing, just relief
11:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner doesn’t notice. Just relief again
11:30am Puppy pees under the dining room table – Owner not present. Nothing happens
12:15pm Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present – gets praise
What we think we are teaching puppy is that it is good to pee in the garden and wrong to pee in the house but what the pup is actually learning is that sometimes it is rewarding to pee when the owner is present and sometimes it is dangerous. However it is always safe to go when the owner is not present and that so far the safest place is under the dining room table.
ADMIN NOTE. - Never deny your dog water in the mistaken belief that this will aid toilet training. It won't. It will make the urine stronger, it may impact on your dog's health, i.e. cause kidney problems or urinary tract infections if the dog drinks greedily and excessively when it is available knowing it will be taken away. Dogs must have clean fresh water available all of the time.
By Sally Bradbury
 
AmandaJR said:
No pads. Just gives them the message that going inside is ok. Ignore any accidents and when they go outside act as if you just won the lottery. Take them out even more frequently than you are and you think they need. You can try teaching them to ring a bell once they understand they need to go outside only and let you know they need out. You get sort of strings of bells you attach to the door handle.
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Is that why HID put up a string of bells by the back door - only we dont have a dog??
 
jobr1850 said:
We never used pads
Took the puppy out in the back garden ( a lot) and rewarded

She is a beagle. Collected her at 12 weeks.

It’s a few years ago now, but I think we had 3 accidents with wee and never a no2. She learnt really quick, considering at the breeders they used pads but everything I read said don’t use them, they get used to them and think it’s the right thing.
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Our Mollie is 4 now and is good as gold in the house. She is often left alone during the day with no issues.
We actually used pads initially but as she was let out often enough she learned that she did her business outside.
Never had a No2 incident in the house.
She’s a typical Beagle though. Stubborn as a mule, and generally sits on the back of the settee on guard when in the lounge. Mrs Basher often wonders why the hell I wanted a beagle. Not much recall, especially if she smells something but that’s a beagle for you.
 

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Useful thread! we pick up our new addition to the family next week! like life isnt hard enough with 4 kids, lets get a dug!
 
Amanda's post makes sense, and I can see the logic.

With my dog, I never punished her for accidents inside but did reward for peeing outside. I think it worked because my dog is so food motivated, that the reward of a treat for going to the toilet outside was a strong enough motivator to make it worth trying despite the times where I may not have noticed and it went unrewarded. It was also enough to learn that this is what was the desired behaviour. I never reprimanded for any accidents, and I think this would certainly add to the confusion.
 
Rooter said:
Useful thread! we pick up our new addition to the family next week! like life isnt hard enough with 4 kids, lets get a dug!
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We found the first two weeks the hardest, really questioned our decision, crying at night, scratching everything, and then once he was settled it was great. It's amazing how quickly they become part of the family.
 
Basher said:
Our Mollie is 4 now and is good as gold in the house. She is often left alone during the day with no issues.
We actually used pads initially but as she was let out often enough she learned that she did her business outside.
Never had a No2 incident in the house.
She’s a typical Beagle though. Stubborn as a mule, and generally sits on the back of the settee on guard when in the lounge. Mrs Basher often wonders why the hell I wanted a beagle. Not much recall, especially if she smells something but that’s a beagle for you.
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lol - looks a lovely dog.
My mrs only walks Jess on a lead.
I let her off - she has her moments if she gets a smell of dear, rabbit, badger etc but in general is ok over the fields and golf course near home.
Ours has a day or two at home - she needs it to rest.
 
AmandaJR said:
Copied this from a great group on Facebook (Dog Training Advice and Support):

Toilet training is all about creating good habits. Young pups have very small bladders and very little bladder control so they need to be in the right place when nature calls. To toilet train successfully in as short a time as possible you must take your puppy to the garden:
  • When they wake
  • After eating
  • After taking a drink
  • Before, during and after a period of activity
  • When you come in
  • Before you go out
  • Before bedtime
  • During the adverts
  • And every twenty to thirty minutes in between unless they are asleep. During periods of activity change that to every ten to twenty minutes.
Stay outside with your pup. Do not nag or distract him just mooch about and he will do the same and eventually eliminate. Quiet praise is sufficient.
Once pup has eliminated you can either stay out and play or go back indoors. If you stay out for a game then he will often need to go again before you go back indoors so stop the game and stay out for a while longer to give him a chance to go again. Don’t stay out for too long if it is cold, raining or you are getting frustrated. Go back in and try again in a while. It is always better for the pup to pee/poo as soon as you take them outside rather than half an hour later. This will speed up the learning process.
If you have to take him back in and he hasn’t eliminated outside then either confine him to his crate, sit him on your lap or tuck him under your arm (small breeds only) as you go about your chores and try again in five minutes.
It is imperative that you do this, especially if you have started off with newspaper down or puppy pads because your puppy may prefer to pee indoors and he could simply be waiting to be taken back in. Give him zero opportunity to go wrong.
If your puppy toilets in the house it is because you haven’t toilet trained him yet and didn’t take him outside when he needed to go. When this happens take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head whilst repeating the words “I forgot to watch my puppy. I forgot to watch my puppy” If your puppy laughs at you when you do this – praise him.

Common mistakes during toilet training.
  • Using newspaper or puppy training pads. Whilst it may aid the clearing up process it can be very confusing for the pup that is taught or permitted to toilet in the house to make the transition to going outside and will often result in a pup that when playing in the garden will simply hold on until they are back indoors because that is where the toilet is.
  • Leaving the door open. This does nothing to teach the pup to toilet outside only.
  • Reprimands for toileting in the house will result in a dog that believes you disapprove of what he did not where he did it and is damaging to your relationship with your pup.
  • Giving treats for toileting in the garden, again the dog is being rewarded for what he did not where he did it. Whilst this is not going to be as big a problem as the reprimand, the clever dog will learn to do lots of little wees and never fully empty their bladder. The insecure dog may wee indoors to appease you if you get cross about something else because they know that this is something that pleases you and gets rewarded. NB using both reprimands and rewards is very confusing for your pup.
  • Expecting your pup to tell you when he needs to go out. Once a pup understands that outside is where the toilet is then he may start to let you know he needs out. However if you are not there to ask or you fail to notice him asking then the housetraining will break down. Far better to have a dog go out to the toilet on your schedule once they are house trained.
  • Giving your pup an ensuite in his crate. Do not encourage your pup to toilet in his crate by putting puppy pads in there. If you have to leave puppy for a while and he is going to need to go then best to have the crate inside a larger pen or blocked off area and leave the crate door open so that he can get away from his bed to toilet.
N.B. Areas indoors where pup has had an accident are best cleaned with a dilute of biological washing powder. Avoid using disinfectant as this contains ammonia and can encourage pup to pee there again.
Overnight.
Young pups will need to go to the toilet once or twice in the night for anything from a few days to a few weeks. If your pup is sleeping in a crate in the bedroom with you then they will wake and should let you know they need to go out. Carry pup to the garden to eliminate and then straight back to bed again. A few nights of this and it will take you longer to find your slippers because of sleep deprivation and consequently pup is learning to hold on and will soon be sleeping all night. If you choose to leave puppy in the kitchen or utility room to sleep then do not shut them in a crate and simply clean up in the morning without comment.
Why punishment does not work for house training.
A typical morning in the life of an 8 week old pup.
7:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present. Gets praised
7.30am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner present. Gets a reprimand
8:15am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner not present. Nothing happens except relief
9:00am Puppy pees in the lounge – Owner present. Gets a reprimand
9:30 am Puppy pees in the kitchen – Owner not present. Nothing, just relief
11:00am Puppy pees in the garden – Owner doesn’t notice. Just relief again
11:30am Puppy pees under the dining room table – Owner not present. Nothing happens
12:15pm Puppy pees in the garden – Owner present – gets praise
What we think we are teaching puppy is that it is good to pee in the garden and wrong to pee in the house but what the pup is actually learning is that sometimes it is rewarding to pee when the owner is present and sometimes it is dangerous. However it is always safe to go when the owner is not present and that so far the safest place is under the dining room table.
ADMIN NOTE. - Never deny your dog water in the mistaken belief that this will aid toilet training. It won't. It will make the urine stronger, it may impact on your dog's health, i.e. cause kidney problems or urinary tract infections if the dog drinks greedily and excessively when it is available knowing it will be taken away. Dogs must have clean fresh water available all of the time.
By Sally Bradbury
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I have been lucky as my dogs are in kennels outside. However when I used to have a young pup indoors the above that Amanda has very kindly posted was a routine that we did and it worked. Hard work but you will be surprised how quick some dogs pick it up.

Enjoy....
 
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