Prohibiting play from another hole's teebox

[rulie]

You have not misunderstood, and I agree that it is illogical.
It isn't me that wants to prevent it - it's the club that does, and I'm trying to establish whether they are even allowed to do so.

What/who is going to prevent them from doing so?

 

[cliveb]

What/who is going to prevent them from doing so?

If the R&A tells us that such a local rule is not permitted, then that's what will prevent them doing so.

Of course, it would only apply to qualifying comps - which we do run throughout the winter.
The club is obviously entitled to instruct us not to play from "wrong tee boxes" during social rounds.

 

[rulie]

If the R&A tells us that such a local rule is not permitted, then that's what will prevent them doing so.

Of course, it would only apply to qualifying comps - which we do run throughout the winter.
The club is obviously entitled to instruct us not to play from "wrong tee boxes" during social rounds.

And you don't think there are a multitude of local Rules around the country/world that would fit into the "not permitted" category, implemented by club committees because they thought it was a good idea?

 

[cliveb]

And you don't think there are a multitude of local Rules around the country/world that would fit into the "not permitted" category, implemented by club committees because they thought it was a good idea?

Not sure I get your drift.
Are you saying that since lots of clubs have unauthorised local rules, then making up one of our own is OK?
We can't do much about what other clubs get up to, and we can't beat them, but that doesn't mean we should join them.

 

[rulie]

Not sure I get your drift.
Are you saying that since lots of clubs have unauthorised local rules, then making up one of our own is OK?
We can't do much about what other clubs get up to, and we can't beat them, but that doesn't mean we should join them.

Just pointing out that your club committee will likely do what they feel is best for them or the course, as many others have done, regardless of what CONGU or the R&A may suggest. Trying to use the Rules to dissuade them is often pointless.

 

[jim8flog]

Just pointing out that your club committee will likely do what they feel is best for them or the course, as many others have done, regardless of what CONGU or the R&A may suggest. Trying to use the Rules to dissuade them is often pointless.

Where I play I successfully got a couple of rules removed from the LRs after pointing out they were not allowable rules. The funny bit is one on them was putting with the flag in as one of the winter rules.

 

[full_throttle]

on the scorecard of my course

Dropping without penalty LR 4c. Greens and Tees - a ball lying on a green or teeother than the one being played must be lifted and dropped at the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole


we do this because, as a 9 hole course, we try to protect the tees,

will be interested to see if this is permitted or not by congu R&A etc

 

[clubchamp98]

This is in place for greens.
You play the green on your hole but if you hit a green at my place that is not yours you MUST take relief.
It’s not a big leap to include tees in this rule.

 

[williamalex1]

We have a bye law stating that no play is allowed from behind or from the 16th tee to the 18th green.

Our 18 green is only a tempting 150/170 yards from the 16th tee back towards the clubhouse, where as the 16th green is around 390 yards away, down and up a very very steep hill in the opposite direction.
Thankfully the council occasionally put a temp tee at the back of the 16th tee making it a nice par 3 finish to the 18th for us old buddies.
If it isn't a qualifying comp h/c the club council/committee can do as they want.

 

[Swango1980]

This is in place for greens.
You play the green on your hole but if you hit a green at my place that is not yours you MUST take relief.
It’s not a big leap to include tees in this rule.

That is a rule of golf though, nothing to do with local rules

 

[Colin L]

Local Rules form part of the Rules. Every LR you have is a Rule for that course.

The reference to how the Rules distinguish between the one putting green of the hole you are playing and every other putting green on the course is apt as it shows that the principle of treating one specified but changing part of the course differently from all the other similar parts is already well founded.

 

[jim8flog]

on the scorecard of my course

Dropping without penalty LR 4c. Greens and Tees - a ball lying on a green or teeother than the one being played must be lifted and dropped at the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole


we do this because, as a 9 hole course, we try to protect the tees,

will be interested to see if this is permitted or not by congu R&A etc

This is in place for greens.
You play the green on your hole but if you hit a green at my place that is not yours you MUST take relief.
It’s not a big leap to include tees in this rule.

As already said you do not need a LR for greens it is a rule of golf and it now includes stance as well as ball on a green.

 

[Swango1980]

Local Rules form part of the Rules. Every LR you have is a Rule for that course.

The reference to how the Rules distinguish between the one putting green of the hole you are playing and every other putting green on the course is apt as it shows that the principle of treating one specified but changing part of the course differently from all the other similar parts is already well founded.

Yes. My point was, there is no need for a local rule to ensure golfers drop off the wrong green, that is already embedded in the main / general rules.

I also don't believe it is relevant to state that, because it is a main rule in relation to greens, it can simply be applied as a local rule when it comes to tee boxes (it would be like saying, it is fine to have a local rule to say a golfer can pick, clean and place on any part of the golf course, including bunkers, because the main rules already state you can do it on a green.

 

[clubchamp98]

That is a rule of golf though, nothing to do with local rules

I know this !! my point was a precedent has been set for certain parts of the course .
So it’s not such a great leap to include another.
Not all courses have to use it if it’s just a permitted local rule.
It makes sense to me.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yes. My point was, there is no need for a local rule to ensure golfers drop off the wrong green, that is already embedded in the main / general rules.

I also don't believe it is relevant to state that, because it is a main rule in relation to greens, it can simply be applied as a local rule when it comes to tee boxes (it would be like saying, it is fine to have a local rule to say a golfer can pick, clean and replace on any part of the golf course, including bunkers, because the main rules already state you can do it on a green.

Sorry to point this out but you can have this in place (bunkers and penalty areas having their own rules) - there is even a model LR

But this is all very much a tangent to the question being posed.

The principle is the important bit, as Cl pointed out.

 

[Swango1980]

Sorry to point this out but you can have this in place (bunkers and penalty areas having their own rules) - there is even a model LR

But this is all very much a tangent to the question being posed.

The principle is the important bit, as Cl pointed out.

OK, bad example. I was thinking quickly off the top of my head. What I meant was, just because there is a rule to say you must drop it off the wrong green, that doesn't automatically mean that the Committee can provide a local rule about dropping off tee boxes.

PS. That is not me saying that the Committee cannot do this, it is just my opinion at the moment that I can't find anything to say they can. Nor, do I really believe it is warranted, given that everyone has to play off each tee box at least once anyway.

 

[clubchamp98]

OK, bad example. I was thinking quickly off the top of my head. What I meant was, just because there is a rule to say you must drop it off the wrong green, that doesn't automatically mean that the Committee can provide a local rule about dropping off tee boxes.

PS. That is not me saying that the Committee cannot do this, it is just my opinion at the moment that I can't find anything to say they can. Nor, do I really believe it is warranted, given that everyone has to play off each tee box at least once anyway.

Surly whether it’s warranted is up to each committee.

 

[Swango1980]

Surly whether it’s warranted is up to each committee.

Not entirely. The following is from the Rules of Golf, Committee Procedures (8L)

"While a Committee has significant authority under the Rules of Golf to adopt Local Rules to fit the particular needs of a course or competition, any Local Rules that it chooses to put in place must be consistent with the policies established in Section 8, Model Local Rules. "

Also:

"In addition, Committees must not write a Local Rule that goes beyond the authorized Local Rules in ways which compromise the basic principles of the Rules of Golf. As examples, allowing players to use preferred lies throughout the general area or giving free relief from divot holes in the fairway compromise the basic principle under Rule 1.1 of playing the ball as it lies."

 

[clubchamp98]

Not entirely. The following is from the Rules of Golf, Committee Procedures (8L)

"While a Committee has significant authority under the Rules of Golf to adopt Local Rules to fit the particular needs of a course or competition, any Local Rules that it chooses to put in place must be consistent with the policies established in Section 8, Model Local Rules. "

Also:

"In addition, Committees must not write a Local Rule that goes beyond the authorized Local Rules in ways which compromise the basic principles of the Rules of Golf. As examples, allowing players to use preferred lies throughout the general area or giving free relief from divot holes in the fairway compromise the basic principle under Rule 1.1 of playing the ball as it lies."

I think the general principal of “ playing the ball as it lies” went out of the window years ago.
There are so many exceptions to this now.
You can quote rules at me all day ,but I still think if a committee wants to protect its tees for whatever reason they should be able to.
This protects the course for the members .
It’s just an opinion after all we’re not talking the Open it’s just a golf club asking a question.

 

[Swango1980]

I think the general principal of “ playing the ball as it lies” went out of the window years ago.
There are so many exceptions to this now.
You can quote rules at me all day ,but I still think if a committee wants to protect its tees for whatever reason they should be able to.
This protects the course for the members .
It’s just an opinion after all we’re not talking the Open it’s just a golf club asking a question.

Yes, they can protect their tees. One way to do it would to make them all GUR, or No Play Zones. But, if they do that, I don't think they can mark them as either if they are allowing players to play off them when on that hole. I also don't think they are protecting them very much either, although I don't know the layout of the course to be fair.

You may not be interested in me quoting rules to you. However, if you were part of the Committee you would have a responsibility to appreciate what the rules allow you to do or not. The OP wasn't asking for a personal opinion, he was asking for an answer to whether it could be adopted or not according to the correct procedures.