Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[robinthehood]

The offside rule hasn’t changed but the level of detail that VAR go down to is very subjective and can cause issues - I think there have been 3 or 4 times someones “armpit” has been offside which to me seems ridiculous but it appears it’s part of the rules.

The main issue for me is using the lines and still pictures - it got to be so hard to find the “exact” moment the ball leaves the players foot and then aligning that to when forwards movement

the changes I would like to see are

1. You hear the communication between the ref and video ref so we all know what’s going on

2. Offside - there needs to be a tolerance, a “refs/linesman” call for example where is that tight they go with the call made on the pitch - they also don’t show the lines to everyone as it confuses the matter

3. Maybe go to a “clear daylight” rule - only offside if there is clear daylight between the defender and attacker

4. Handball - if it hits the handball it’s a foul - accident or not

The frame used is first contact with the ball , rather than when the ball leaves the foot.

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s sensible until someone is onside by a baggy shirt etc, it’s still a mm decision, moving the mm in favour of the attacker will cause more issues for a defender.
Until the technology is sorted there will still be controversy.

Possibly right.
But it would help the attacker to stay onside if he is visibly level .
If he is 100% offside he can’t really complain.
There really isn’t an answer technology wise, you are off or not shown by the tech correctly.
It’s the rule that needs changing.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Possibly right.
But it would help the attacker to stay onside if he is visibly level .
If he is 100% offside he can’t really complain.
There really isn’t an answer technology wise, you are off or not shown by the tech correctly.
It’s the rule that needs changing.

But we should be helping all players on both sides, not just the attackers.
Defenders will start getting slated for mistiming their movements etc.
The whole thing is a shambles!

 

[clubchamp98]

You're just moving the line , marginal decisions will still exist, there'll be no less controversy.

Yes there will be.
But the striker would have To be 100% offside
ATM they think their level but their toe is off just isn’t working.

 

[clubchamp98]

But we should be helping all players on both sides, not just the attackers.
Defenders will start getting slated for mistiming their movements etc.
The whole thing is a shambles!

Agree the last bit.
It’s entertainment apparently but chalking off goals is putting people off the game.
It might stop teams playing for offside and just mark your man.

AS for helping all players the handball rule discriminates between them!

 

[AmandaJR]

So...no offside at all? Seems to have worked ok with hockey where the rule used to be very similar...

Would be interesting to trial it!

 

[Beezerk]

So why was the Wolves goal canceled out ?

And more so, like many instances like this, where’s the actual advantage and to whom ?

I go back to my original point. Look how thick the lines are they use, it's down to an individuals interpretation where they put them. Is that blue line exactly on the edge of the Liverpool players knee? Doesn't look like it to me, looks to be an inch or so onto his kneecap. And how many milimeters was the Wolves player "offside" by?
It's a shambles at the minute and too open to how good an individual can draw a thick line accurately on a fuzzy picture.

 

[AmandaJR]

Thinking out loud - what about only the goal scorer can be offside. So that would stop goal hanging etc. Can't recall which dodgy VAR (Wolves?) but the player deemed offside was in the build up...

Or a 20yd line or something - can't be offside unless inside that...

It'll never happen but perhaps football needs to have a radical rethink.

 

[Pin-seeker]

So...no offside at all? Seems to have worked ok with hockey where the rule used to be very similar...

Would be interesting to trial it!

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/mar/06/offside-law-sepp-blatter

 

[robinthehood]

I go back to my original point. Look how thick the lines are they use, it's down to an individuals interpretation where they put them. Is that blue line exactly on the edge of the Liverpool players knee? Doesn't look like it to me, looks to be an inch or so onto his kneecap. And how many milimeters was the Wolves player "offside" by?
It's a shambles at the minute and too open to how good an individual can draw a thick line accurately on a fuzzy picture.

Line thickness is not relevant and the VAR refs use a 1 pixel line for the measurements.

 

[Beezerk]

Line thickness is not relevant and the VAR refs use a 1 pixel line for the measurements.

Line placement is relevant though, that's where it comes down to interpretation. The photo Fish posted shows the line inside the kneecap of the Liverpool player IMO, not on the edge as I'm guessing it should be.

 

[robinthehood]

Line placement is relevant though, that's where it comes down to interpretation. The photo Fish posted shows the line inside the kneecap of the Liverpool player IMO, not on the edge as I'm guessing it should be.

Ok fair enough, so we scrap it for a year and come back with a new fangled 100% accurate super high def, AI powered , machine learning super system.
It's still gonna give offsides for wafer thin margins and people are still going to lose their mind over it.
I don't know how you get around that.

 

[Beezerk]

Ok fair enough, so we scrap it for a year and come back with a new fangled 100% accurate super high def, AI powered , machine learning super system.
It's still gonna give offsides for wafer thin margins and people are still going to lose their mind over it.
I don't know how you get around that.

Definitely ?
I'm just pointing out the flaws in the system, it's supposed to reduce human error but by design it has introduced it into the system.
Imo if the line had been drawn correctly onto the edge of the defenders knee the goal would have stood.

 

[Tashyboy]

I've go to plenty of games and no I don't get angry. Time is added on for VAR stoppages, I'd agree the offside seems really harsh, but that's not VAR , thats the offside rule as it stands being implemented and VAR being used to check it.

Line thickness is not relevant and the VAR refs use a 1 pixel line for the measurements.

Is a 1pixel line used when the ball has left the passer of the balls foot.

 

[Tashyboy]

VAR = The new Brexit ?

 

[robinthehood]

Is a 1pixel line used when the ball has left the passer of the balls foot.

I'd recommend reading the VAR section on the premier league website. Might help clear up a few misconceptions.

 

[pokerjoke]

You think he realised today? What did he learn today that wasnt blatantly obvious before? Think the one with the realisation today might have been Lampard!

We were way better today, so much better than we have been, better structure, better formation, better Ozil, Torreira was brilliant, Aubam chased every ball back, we just didnt last the 90 out with yet another defensive injury, a joke referee decision not to send Jorginho off, a couple of individual errors and a general lack of confidence.

We have a defense that consists of an 18 year old winger at left back, a 21 year old midfielder at right back, Sideshow Bob and Mustafi in from the cold after 20 mins and you think they thought the game was done at 1-0 against a top 4 side? Was the complete opposite, nervous and lacking in confidence in a game they couldve long since put away!

Europes long been gone, staying up and planning for next year is all we have to play for and have had for a while, hopefully we can strengthen with a defender or two and a midfielder in January and build for next season

I think you summed it up perfectly.
It must be so frustrating to here people talk total garbage.
To get Arsenal actually playing decent football and to look relatively solid after 2 games deserves credit.
Both goals for Chelsea could quite easily have been have been avoided and problems if the first never went in the 2nd wouldn’t have.
Even DT was pleased with the performance.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Taylor blew because he believed he saw Lallana use his arm, that was a definite infringement in his mind and therefore he can blow immediately.

Yes that's understandable but this is the same ref that thought he seen Alonso foul gazzaniga last week ?? Had he blew the whistle before the ball is in the net VAR would not have been able to overturn it.

I go back to earlier in the season when Aubamayeng was offside but the liner kept his flag down as he was told too at the start of the season, Matip put the ball out and Arsenal got a corner they shouldn't have had because Aubamayeng was offside.

Until we get a better standard of refs nothing will improve.

 

[MegaSteve]

Until we get a better standard of refs nothing will improve.

I am going to suggest players ceasing in their quest of constantly trying to deceive the match officials would be a big step forward...

 

[davemc1]

Bleeding hell, get oVAR it
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