Post Office - Horizon scandal

[Robster59]

It really makes you think "how do these people even sleep at night?".

They knew the system was garbage, they knew they covered it up and they knew they sent innocent people to jail to continue with the cover up. Even now, they know they are lying in court but get away with it because they say "I can't recall". They must be complete sociopaths to live life like that and not feel guilt or stress over it.

If they don't sleep at night, it won't be because they're thinking about how many hundreds of peoples lives they have ruined, but what will happen to them.
They had no concern or empathy with the victims, there is no way they will start now.
I really want the police to come down hard on these people once this enquiry as finished. I just fear that, as I have said before, they will just finish up with a slap on the wrist and pensioned off with a nice fat pension.

 

[Hobbit]

I’m not sure how I could paraphrase today’s session. It’s the second time Jarnail Singh has appeared before the hearing, and once again his replies were, “I don’t recall, I wasn’t the decision maker, I wasn’t part of that case…”

He has been, repeatedly, shown evidence that he was part of specific cases and was involved in decision making. At one point it was even pointed out to him that he was the senior solicitor at the PO at that time. One of his responses was mind boggling, “I was like an articled clerk sitting behind a barrister,” and you can add something along the lines of I was acting as directed… just acting as directed is not a valid excuse from a solicitor IF those actions are questionable. That sort of thing could see them disbarred…

The vid below is for the full day’s hearing. If you’ve got the stomach for it, good luck. But if you want a very good flavour of it, watch the last 5-10mins of Jason Beer KC asking questions and the core participant’s solicitor asking a few question thereafter. Basically, the last 15mins of the vid. And then go and do something that will put a smile on your face…

 

[Patster1969]

It really makes you think "how do these people even sleep at night?".

As they are all a bunch of blood sucking vampires, they likely don't

 

[Swango1980]

Just out of interest, how many people in here are supporting the Post Office in this case? Shall I start a poll?

 

[clubchamp98]

Just out of interest, how many people in here are supporting the Post Office in this case? Shall I start a poll?

0 just a guess!

 

[Hobbit]

0 just a guess!

Bold statement!

 

[clubchamp98]

Bold statement!

I don’t recall that statement!

 

[GreiginFife]

Just out of interest, how many people in here are supporting the Post Office in this case? Shall I start a poll?

The strange thing is, and is proven time and again, you will always find apologists for almost any type of abhorrent behaviour. Sad, but true.

 

[Hobbit]

A 12 minute piece pulled from this morning’s session. It would be laughable if it wasn’t such a serious issue.

 

[chellie]

Didn't have the knowledge to save a document my

 

[Hobbit]

Didn't have the knowledge to save a document my

One of Singh’s replies yesterday was priceless. “You need to speak to a criminal specialist.” Correct me if I’m wrong but his job title was Head of Criminal Law. I doubt he got that job by being a numpty….

 

[Hobbit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1786525634878910629

 

[Voyager EMH]

"somebody" printed the attachment 9 minutes after the email was received. I would have liked the questioner to ask J. Singh who that was.

"I don't recall" or "I don't know" could have been followed up with "Does that make you totally irresponsible with regard to your own computer use at work?"
"Would this be grounds for dismissal due to lack of security and incompetence?"

 

[Lord Tyrion]

A week or two ago one of the questioning counsel asked someone if they were a liar or just incompetent. They really could just keep repeating that question to each person but for the guy yesterday...........

 

[D-S]

It does make you wonder how you can prove that someone knew something.

Apparently, even though you can prove they received and opened the email, printed it out and saved it to their computer, the defence of I can't recall it or I didn't see it still holds up? How much proof d you need?

Angela v d B even denied knowing about an email she opened that started with 're my voicemail last night' - she didn't recall either message.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It does make you wonder how you can prove that someone knew something.

Apparently, even though you can prove they received and opened the email, printed it out and saved it to their computer, the defence of I can't recall it or I didn't see it still holds up? How much proof d you need?

Angela v d B even denied knowing about an email she opened that started with 're my voicemail last night' - she didn't recall either message.

Ultimately, it is whether you find that defence believable or credible. In the instances you gave, and frankly many others heard so far, my answer would be that they are not. If it ever makes it to a court of law, I suspect others will agree with me.

 

[D-S]

Ultimately, it is whether you find that defence believable or credible. In the instances you gave, and frankly many others heard so far, my answer would be that they are not. If it ever makes it to a court of law, I suspect others will agree with me.

Well I sincerely hope that there will be juries deciding on this and they come to the same conclusion as I, and many others have done, and that is that these PO officials and lawyers are lying through their teeth.

 

[chrisd]

I just loved the bit where Sam Stein KC told Martin Smith that, having had direct knowledge that Gareth Jenkins failed to disclose in court cases (as an expert witness ) that there were known bugs in the Fujitsu computers and that he, (Martin Smith), was now a witness to probable perjury and perverting the course of justice, in not doing so.

He asked Smith why he didn't call in the police being such a witness!

Obviously Smith hadn't "considered the matter" but you could almost hear the penny drop that, as a lawyer, he was deep in the poo poo now !

 

[Hobbit]

The below vid is from the inquiry 2 weeks ago. It’s especially refreshing to see/hear that directors from 1999/2000 weren’t drinking the same memory killing coffee as senior management team in later years.

As well as being Operations Director, David Miller later became Chief Operating Officer, he was also Programme Director for the initial testing and roll out of the Horizon system. Shock of shocks, the system testing showed account balancing discrepancies right from the outset. Whatever bug fix they put in then was no doubt tested, but to what extent? Listening to the evidence given, more specifically the examples raised by the questioning barrister, the account balancing issues seemed to continue.

 

[rulefan]

Apologies, I have only very recently started reading this thread so I'm not really up to speed. But has it been mentioned whether or not the Horizon logs show just who was responsible for (ie actually made) individual transactions?