Tongo
Journeyman Pro
Bravo! About time on some of these.
Possible Rule Changes
- Thread starter Foxholer
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USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Not at all keen. The rules dont need changing to speed up play, people just need to be told to get on with it.
Surely limited stroke play is stableford. It already exists.
Surely limited stroke play is stableford. It already exists.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Re: Rules of Golf Changes - 2019
Its the ones who look for 5 mins who don't call the game behind through that are the problem.
But it's worth a try I suppose.
But it takes more than three mins to let the game behind play through so 5 mins is not a prob.
Its the ones who look for 5 mins who don't call the game behind through that are the problem.
But it's worth a try I suppose.
pogle
Head Pro
A document on the R&A site states that they are still considering what to do about double hits.
Another subject still under discussion is whether to allow a player to declare a ball lost if a provisional has been played
Another subject still under discussion is whether to allow a player to declare a ball lost if a provisional has been played
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guest100718
Guest
Flag in while putting i like.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Like someone said, a mixed bag - some good , some not so, and some I just don't see the point? But it looks like BBC have over simplified the summary. Eg the changes only remove penalty for accidentally moving a ball either on green or during a search - not if you move it accidentally elsewhere.
Not sure about swapping "club lengths" for a defined distance. After all we all have a club to hand but unlikely to carry a tape measure. And I think allowing repair of spike marks etc is opening a can of worms.
But a full read needed to decide fully.
As to why 2019 - they are putting this out to consultation. Then they will need to assess answers, and revise proposals as appropriate. All this takes time - and as we all know rules (or even laws) which are revised in haste can sometimes have unforeseen consequences. Personally I'd rather the necessary care & time was taken first.
Not sure about swapping "club lengths" for a defined distance. After all we all have a club to hand but unlikely to carry a tape measure. And I think allowing repair of spike marks etc is opening a can of worms.
But a full read needed to decide fully.
As to why 2019 - they are putting this out to consultation. Then they will need to assess answers, and revise proposals as appropriate. All this takes time - and as we all know rules (or even laws) which are revised in haste can sometimes have unforeseen consequences. Personally I'd rather the necessary care & time was taken first.
Siren
Tour Rookie
Still have to pay out of a divot......
The rest of the changes are very positive tbh
The rest of the changes are very positive tbh
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Give with one hand, take away with the other...
Ready golf, 3 minutes ball search will speed things up a little until you get to the green when we will all become gardeners trying to create a perfect lawn. The Pros are going to take 6 hours to get round now...
I don't see the reasoning behind the change to the dropping procedure or the lengths (20"/80") or whatever...
Do we all have to carry a tape measure now?
We have a measuring device - it's called a driver and can't be more than 4' long....
Most of the rest of it I can see where they're coming from..
Ready golf, 3 minutes ball search will speed things up a little until you get to the green when we will all become gardeners trying to create a perfect lawn. The Pros are going to take 6 hours to get round now...
I don't see the reasoning behind the change to the dropping procedure or the lengths (20"/80") or whatever...
Do we all have to carry a tape measure now?
We have a measuring device - it's called a driver and can't be more than 4' long....
Most of the rest of it I can see where they're coming from..
As others have said, a mixed bag but no doubt once they come in and we have to use them it'll become second nature and we'll wonder what the fuss is about
I don't see the fear regarding spike marks. I'll flatten those on my line but I won't be doing others just for the heck of it. With spike marks you rarely do much anyway, just tap them down with the flat of your putter.
Crow
Crow Person
Some good some not so.
The new drop from any height, removes the chance element and will often mean that the lie is improved when taking relief.
And the definition is daft; as long as the ball "falls through the air"??? So open to interpretation and different players will drop from different heights, if they're going to do it why not just say place the ball?
20" or 80", what's wrong with the old club length or two? Will we be expected to carry yardsticks or tape measures with us?
Picking loose impediments out of a bunker or hazard? Bunkers have already been so sanitised from their original condition, being raked to give a perfect lie and with uniform sand depths, they're already a target for better players as they're so easy to escape from. I want to test myself against the natural course, not some primped version.
Repairing spike marks and other marks in the green? Imperfections in the green are part of the game and this is another example of over sanitising.
It will also waste time as some people will go overboard with it, why not just have R&A approved astro-turf greens, year round perfect surfaces and no imperfections to repair?
Bah humbug!
The new drop from any height, removes the chance element and will often mean that the lie is improved when taking relief.
And the definition is daft; as long as the ball "falls through the air"??? So open to interpretation and different players will drop from different heights, if they're going to do it why not just say place the ball?
20" or 80", what's wrong with the old club length or two? Will we be expected to carry yardsticks or tape measures with us?
Picking loose impediments out of a bunker or hazard? Bunkers have already been so sanitised from their original condition, being raked to give a perfect lie and with uniform sand depths, they're already a target for better players as they're so easy to escape from. I want to test myself against the natural course, not some primped version.
Repairing spike marks and other marks in the green? Imperfections in the green are part of the game and this is another example of over sanitising.
It will also waste time as some people will go overboard with it, why not just have R&A approved astro-turf greens, year round perfect surfaces and no imperfections to repair?
Bah humbug!
toyboy54
Challenge Tour Pro
I've just completed the survey,really easy and didn't take long and gave you the opportunity to give your own reasons/opinions on the various options.
Would respectfully suggest that all on here do the same(if you have then well done,these common sense changes should help/simplify things for us all....methinks)
I forgot to ask them to change stupid rule about playing from a divot...DOH!!!
Jimbo
Would respectfully suggest that all on here do the same(if you have then well done,these common sense changes should help/simplify things for us all....methinks)
I forgot to ask them to change stupid rule about playing from a divot...DOH!!!
Jimbo
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
have completed the survey, good to see theyre canvassing feedback
recommended they introduce a rule for a free drop from any plugged ball through the green (rather than it having to be part of a local rule)
recommended they introduce a rule for a free drop from any plugged ball through the green (rather than it having to be part of a local rule)
pogle
Head Pro
This is part of the proposed changes
Okay, a few that might be abused in my opinion.
Scenario 1; I'm 50 feet away on a green with more bumps and hollows than an elephant on the F-Plan diet. "Please leave the flag in" (just in case I hit it too hard and it might go 10 feet past).
Scenario 2; I'm in the rough but taking a drop from whatever. I can take advantage of a potential bad drop into a scabby area by dropping from a lot lower. Should I really be able to gain an advantage?
Scenario 3; Region3(Gary)'s example. "Sorry but I stood on the ball." Its in deep grass, buried, and now I get to take a drop.
There's some good changes in there but there's some that could give some advantages to those that could abuse them. The rules, in general have worked well for donkey's years bar the odd one that needed changing, e.g. a drop from a fairway divot hole, but I suspect there's a cheats charter in some of the proposed changes.
Scenario 1; I'm 50 feet away on a green with more bumps and hollows than an elephant on the F-Plan diet. "Please leave the flag in" (just in case I hit it too hard and it might go 10 feet past).
Scenario 2; I'm in the rough but taking a drop from whatever. I can take advantage of a potential bad drop into a scabby area by dropping from a lot lower. Should I really be able to gain an advantage?
Scenario 3; Region3(Gary)'s example. "Sorry but I stood on the ball." Its in deep grass, buried, and now I get to take a drop.
There's some good changes in there but there's some that could give some advantages to those that could abuse them. The rules, in general have worked well for donkey's years bar the odd one that needed changing, e.g. a drop from a fairway divot hole, but I suspect there's a cheats charter in some of the proposed changes.
pogle
Head Pro
In scenario 3 under the proposals a ball that is moved during a search will be placed, not dropped, and the rules tell us to place it under any natural objects such as leaves or grass as it originally was.
This is never going to replicate the original lie perfectly but it is better than players getting a drop on top trodden down grass after a prolonged search
And if it hadn't been trodden on, or even moved, but just found in a difficult lie... I'm on about abuse of the rule, not a genuine accident.
Crow
Crow Person
If someone wants to abuse the rules they'll abuse them, whatever form they take.
They'll abuse all of them, but why make it easier?
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
I put that as well, then have just come across this...
Embedded Ball
Relief for embedded ball in the general area: You may take relief if your ball is embedded anywhere (except in sand) in the general area (which is the new term for “through the greenâ€), except where a Local Rule restricts relief to the fairway or similar areas (this reverses the default position in the current Rules).
