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poppy's

Old Skier said:
Sorry, just a statement of fact due to the interest shown by some. You and I know that some wars will never be acknowledged as a war and will only go down as a conflict.
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Very true, call it what you like but the troubles in NI was a war, a war with the IRA that lasted a very long time, not everyones take on it but when all is said and done it's true, and for the record im not wishing to start a debate on the NI troubles.

The Falklands was known as a conflict at the time but as time passes people recognise it as war.
 
Old Skier said:
Sorry, just a statement of fact due to the interest shown by some. You and I know that some wars will never be acknowledged as a war and will only go down as a conflict.
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Over time ever conflict gets called a war- even the Falklands is now called a War
 
Even the first campaign in Iraq started as a conflict and soon became "war". To be honest call it whatever you like but wherever and whenever service personnel are killed in the line of duty there should be some mark of rememberance, less the fact we have the luxuries of freedom of speech etc today
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
In the same as asking SILH not to bring religion into it, surely discussing what is war vs conflicts etc could start a similar debate that takes away from the Remembrance theme... (not aimed at you Phil, but you're the last post on it)
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To be fair, I think it originated from remembering the fallen at conflicts as well as wars thats all.
 
Val said:
To be fair, I think it originated from remembering the fallen at conflicts as well as wars thats all.
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And I was only asking whether many folks did their remembrance in churches rather than or in addition to ceremonies at war memorials. I personally think that there is something very special about a Remembrance Sunday church service - it is always very thought-provoking with much less of your run-of-the-mill religious stuff that put off so many.
 
TOL

If you are planning to go this weekend (along with many, many others) take careful note and plan accordingly:

"This weekend (Saturday 1 and Sunday 2 November) large numbers of people are expected to visit the Tower of London's major art installation Blood Swept Lands and Seas of Red, marking 100 years since the first full day of Britain's involvement in the First World War.

There will be no Tube services to Tower Hill station all weekend due to District line improvement work and surrounding stations are likely to be busier than usual

There will be no service on the District line this weekend between South Kensington and Aldgate East,

There will be no service on the Circle line this weekend between Gloucester Road and Aldgate (via Victoria). Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate (via King's Cross St. Pancras), and between Edgware Road and Gloucester Road (via High Street Kensington). This is to allow for station improvement work at Victoria and also track and drainage replacement work at Embankment “

[url]https://www.tfl.gov.uk/campaign/tower-of-london-remembers?intcmp=23153[/URL]

You have been warned.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And I was only asking whether many folks did their remembrance in churches rather than or in addition to ceremonies at war memorials. I personally think that there is something very special about a Remembrance Sunday church service - it is always very thought-provoking with much less of your run-of-the-mill religious stuff that put off so many.
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Without wanting to provoke a religion discussion, I think that many are put off going to church, especially for this type of service because they aren't necessarily religious, not a practicing memebr of the faith of the church etc. Again from a personal perspective if I was going to pay my respects, I'd probably find the local ceremony in my home town (usually at the war memorial) and go along to that. These tend to be far less religious in nature and still gives those that want to spend some time reflecting and remebering the opportunity to do so
 
I am not especially religious but I do attend a rememberance Sunday sermon every year. I think that it is a suitably solemn and reverend place to spend some time in peaceful thought and rememberance. It is not as if they try and sign you up for a weekly attendance when you go or comment that you are not a frequent attender. I used to love going to Fulmer church when I was a kid and used to spend the whole sermon looking at the plack for my Grandfathers brother that was in the church.

I am pleased to say that my brother has brought up his son in a similar veign and even at age 10 he is proud that he goes to church on rememberance sunday. At least that is one person from the next generation who will understand the sacrifice and ensure that we never forget.
 
Two years ago my family went over to Belgium and France to go round the WW1 battlefields. We did some research before they went into a relative of mine who had signed up in Nov 1914 to the 16th Btn Royal Scots. Through some careful research we managed to build a good picture of what he did before he joined up and what his training entailed until he eventually set off for France in Jan1916.
He was killed in late August 1916, having survived the initial stages of the Battle of the Somme, he was wounded, treated, allowed time to recover before going back into the Line in mid Aug 1916. There were conflicting accounts of where he eventually died, but it seems his life was cut short during action in mid August and he died of his wounds.

Having researched all this, it was a rather subdued and sombre group who visited the cemetery where he is buried near Albert. A sprig of heather was planted and a poppy cross tucked in beside his gravestone. When you see how someone in your family lived and died and you've seen their name on a gravestone, it makes it all so real.

My daughter was back to the same place on a school trip back in June. Being able to tell that one of her family was laid to rest in the cemetery they were visiting, seemed to suddenly hit some of her friends.

We must remember them.
 
Old Skier said:
Well since the end of the 2nd WW at least one member of the armed forces has been killed in action every year since bar one perhaps you can enlighten the forum which campaigns/conflicts have now become wars.
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As someone has already said its not a discussion about what is a war or a conflict etc etc

Just as it's not about religion or church

My ex WO is there today again collecting money for RBL - been an incident with a couple guys from Middle East and small protests
 
GB72 said:
I am not especially religious but I do attend a rememberance Sunday sermon every year. I think that it is a suitably solemn and reverend place to spend some time in peaceful thought and rememberance. It is not as if they try and sign you up for a weekly attendance when you go or comment that you are not a frequent attender. I used to love going to Fulmer church when I was a kid and used to spend the whole sermon looking at the plack for my Grandfathers brother that was in the church.

I am pleased to say that my brother has brought up his son in a similar veign and even at age 10 he is proud that he goes to church on rememberance sunday. At least that is one person from the next generation who will understand the sacrifice and ensure that we never forget.
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That's it! I think that many who go to a Christmas Midnight service and enjoy it for what it is given when it is, and so are happy to go through the doors of a church even for just that once a year - would find a Remembrance Sunday service similar though obviously much more solemn and respectful.

They have been part of my life - from when as a scout I'd be in the flag party and carry one of the troop flags (union jack and saltire with scout emblem and troop number if I recall) from the scout hall to church then up the aisle at the start of the service to stand at the front. Then when congregation started to sing the hymn 'Oh God our help in ages past' myself and the other flag bearer would face each other and slowly lower the flags for the minutes silence. As a 13/14yr old I found that very moving and I recall that all of the congregation did also.

That's where I'm coming from so you'll understand why I ask about whether folks go to church on that day or not.
 
HID and I had a coach trip today, booked ages back, to see the Houses of Parliament which was fabulous. Afterwards we went down the river by boat to look at the poppies, we were staggered by the numbers there and just how wonderful they are!

I don't want to add any more than reiterate just how wonderful they are
 
I work 10 mins walk away and will pop down early a couple more times.
 
Looks like the guys raising money today broke their record from last year for one day - over £1mil from the streets of London

Fantastic generosity
 
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