Birchy
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Many thanks to the forums' very own genius for spelling it out for those with a low IQ. :thup:
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Many thanks to the forums' very own genius for spelling it out for those with a low IQ. :thup:
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guest100718
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Many will go just to see the poppies, with little or no thought about why they are there, but will go on to question what they have seen.
Does everyone how looks at or climbs monument know why it was built?
Does everyone how looks at or climbs monument know why it was built?
Ethan
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Glad to help you out.
Birchy
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I would have thought that you would be able to realise it has nothing to do with loyalist and be able to wear one for it's true reason ?
If anyone who goes is provoked into remembering the fallen of ANY conflict, more than they had done before then surely it isn't and hasn't been a waste. Sadly in the modern society there is too little time taken to actually reflect on many things that's hapeening across the globe and sometimes it takes something as visually moving to prick the conscience a little. Far better and far longer in the memory than a gory moat covered display advocated in the original piece
Politicians in NI on both sides have used it for their own gain for decades, I can see it for what it is and I am neither catholic nor protestant, in fact the whole idea of them and us turns my stomach at how juvenile it all is. I dont wear a poppy but donate annually and give them (poppies) to my kids.
Qwerty
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There is nothing Subtle about the headline.
Its just the usual smug self congratulatory crap that you find in the Guardian.
Ethan
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The headline was probably written by a sub-editor rather than the author of the piece. The piece itself doesn't use any of the adjectives, nor mention UKIP.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Started off to be a piece of art for remembrance of 1914 and all war - has it become a 'must see' and 'be photographed at' tourist attraction and backcloth for a selfie for the hordes who now go there to see it.
I fear it has - and because of that it has lost it's purpose.
Besides - did it ever have any meaning beyond London and those able to visit London?
I fear it has - and because of that it has lost it's purpose.
Besides - did it ever have any meaning beyond London and those able to visit London?
Hacker Khan
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Depends on what it's original purpose was. It may have been something to to solemnly remember those that have died in conflict. Or it may have been as an art installation that will be seen by as many people as possible. Or probably both.
I think it's very difficult to tell people they are not 'remembering the fallen' properly as they are taking selfies or whatever. It's what the younger generation do. And if a few of the people that are 'just' having selfies taken stop to think about why it is there then surely that is a good thing and better than never having visited it at all?
SocketRocket
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As 'Most' are not clever enough to understand the relationship between Poppies, WW1 and Mans' great indifference to his fellow man, maybe you could educate us. Just consider it your personal contribution to our enlightenment.
North Mimms
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It does actually refer to UKIP.
" It’s the inward-looking mood that lets Ukip thrive."
Not that I care either way, but I do like accuracy
chrisd
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We're hoping to see it in the next few days
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And who, apart from some smug Guardian journalist and, of course our intellectual master from Bearwood Lakes, can say that in recognising the sacrifice made by British servicemen we overlook the same losses of our allies and, at that time, our enemies.
For some idiot Arts Correspondent to turn this act of remembrance into de facto support of UKIP and, therefore, worthy only of sneering contempt is a new low for this country but at least reminds us that one of the principles that has been fought over is free speech.
The Great War still figures on the history curriculum of our schools and, indeed, my son has recently been teaching a class of 10 & 11 year olds. Just imagine explaining to them not only the futility of war but specifically the military tactics surrounding trench warfare.
Certainly some do not fully comprehend the significance of Remembrance Day or the Poppy Appeal but based upon my experience today at the Tower far more do realise its meaning.
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Very good post :thup:
I agree totally. I think there has been so much awareness over the centenary that the youngsters of today have a much better idea of all aspects of the conflict than perhaps even the second world war. The imagery at the Tower is potent and powerful and the money raised will continue to do so much good
CheltenhamHacker
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I've lived with a number (a hell of a lot more than I expected) who knew nothing about WW1, not even who we fought. This is 20-25 year olds, so people who have allegedly all been taught it at school. It shocked me originally, but not any more. You're giving much too much credit to young peoples knowledge
Tashyboy
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Four experiences in my life relating to war which have moved me.
1, a visit to the war graves at Monte Cassino where my wife's grandfathers brothers inscription lies on the war graves.
2, a weekend in Diksmuide just north of Ypres, spent travelling around war graves, trenches of death and the 8 o'clock last post at Menin gate.
3, the National arboretum off the A 38 just south of Derby.
4, Aushwitz.
all very very emotional and sombre experiences.
Every year Missis tash buys a poppy and puts it on a photo in the hall of her grandads brother.
spending a couple a quid each year on a poppy is the very least I can do.
1, a visit to the war graves at Monte Cassino where my wife's grandfathers brothers inscription lies on the war graves.
2, a weekend in Diksmuide just north of Ypres, spent travelling around war graves, trenches of death and the 8 o'clock last post at Menin gate.
3, the National arboretum off the A 38 just south of Derby.
4, Aushwitz.
all very very emotional and sombre experiences.
Every year Missis tash buys a poppy and puts it on a photo in the hall of her grandads brother.
spending a couple a quid each year on a poppy is the very least I can do.
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
It is strange how "symbols" can sometimes be "hijacked ?" and used as other means of recognition/ meaning.
i spent new year in Amsterdam last year and was gobsmacked to learn that the very symbol the nazis stitched onto gay prisoners in the death camps was a pink triangle. The gay community now wear that badge as a badge of "honour"to kinda say were not ashamed and fair play to them for turning a negative into a positive.
