chrisd
Major Champion
I guess it wasn't that you were awe struck playing in the company of Scott and me! :rofl:
Chris
Chris
Poor technique or worng equipmnt.
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Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Maybe that's it chris , the talent in our group got to me!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Absolutely correct. So for someone currently using Regular shafts, PX6.0 would be scary stiff.
PX are also a 'hitters' (think Paul Casey) shaft rather than 'swingers' (Luke Donald). I found PX5.5 much more difficult to play than Rifle 6.0.
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Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Looks like a c/f is the way to go!
Dave B
Q-School Graduate
Oddsocks.
You can get a set of TMTP CB's new for £300. I recently changed from TM R7's fitted with NS Pro regular shafts which I hit quite high particularly in the more lofted irons.
My CB's are fitted with Dynamic Gold XP R300 shafts which are according to True Temper designed for a mid-low ball flight which I can vouch is lower and more penetrating than the Nippon NS Pros fitted to my R7's.
I have quite a fast SS but have found the regular shaft on these irons to be fine. Given £200 second hand for the burners or £300 new for the TPCB's they may be worth a demo
You can get a set of TMTP CB's new for £300. I recently changed from TM R7's fitted with NS Pro regular shafts which I hit quite high particularly in the more lofted irons.
My CB's are fitted with Dynamic Gold XP R300 shafts which are according to True Temper designed for a mid-low ball flight which I can vouch is lower and more penetrating than the Nippon NS Pros fitted to my R7's.
I have quite a fast SS but have found the regular shaft on these irons to be fine. Given £200 second hand for the burners or £300 new for the TPCB's they may be worth a demo
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Where did you get them at that price dave, and was the option of stiff available ?
Dave B
Q-School Graduate
I got them from JamGolf however I know a couple of other forum members paid around the same price around Christmas for their sets.
I've just checked the JamGolf site and found these ex-demo's at £329, incidentally mine had exactly the same description, (ex-demo hit less than 5 times), and were brand new. The 6 iron had a carbon sticker on the bottom of the iron but if it had been hit I couldn't tell.
http://www.jamgolf.com/uk/product/TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-CB-Irons-Steel-Shafts/
I've lost a few yards on my r7's however that may be due to the weather and the fact I'm still getting used to them. The feel off the face on these irons is superb and as stated earlier the flight is more penetrating.
They are very forgiving for a better players iron and IMO the best looking iron to come from the TM stable.
I thought I'd need a stiff shaft but tried a regular at my local range and found it to be fine, (I generally carry an 8 iron 145/150 yds in the summer).
I've just checked the JamGolf site and found these ex-demo's at £329, incidentally mine had exactly the same description, (ex-demo hit less than 5 times), and were brand new. The 6 iron had a carbon sticker on the bottom of the iron but if it had been hit I couldn't tell.
http://www.jamgolf.com/uk/product/TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-CB-Irons-Steel-Shafts/
I've lost a few yards on my r7's however that may be due to the weather and the fact I'm still getting used to them. The feel off the face on these irons is superb and as stated earlier the flight is more penetrating.
They are very forgiving for a better players iron and IMO the best looking iron to come from the TM stable.
I thought I'd need a stiff shaft but tried a regular at my local range and found it to be fine, (I generally carry an 8 iron 145/150 yds in the summer).
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Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Need to resist new sticks until I've had the swing checked.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
An interesting vid, I used to suffer with a wrists flicky swing and it seems a ideal identifier is unloading the wrists and hitting a ball fat, which I can do now and then during a round. Some range time is in order!
Christov
Newbie
Sorry to hijack a bit here, going a teeeeny bit off topic:
In that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgv4h...layer_embedded), Sam explains how wrist flip is bad and how you want to maintain a central pivot; all good advice. However my pro and several others have told me to flip your wrists on the way out of your swing; looking at Tiger Woods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcP6X7dEUo) and Luke Donald (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQaLIyvxZ64) They both flip their wrists at the end of their swing.
Since Sam doesn't actually do a full slow-mo 'perfect' swing I can't really compare but my only thought is that is he talking about wrist flipping at the 'wrong' point of your swing? Really confused as he doesn't actually explain that part very well....
Scottjd1
Tour Rookie
Hi mate, these are at a pretty good price too...
http://www.snaintongolf.co.uk/produ...pecial-offer/6a0ddd5e6c8e1b3b14c8e870debd956c
http://www.snaintongolf.co.uk/produ...pecial-offer/6a0ddd5e6c8e1b3b14c8e870debd956c
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
No new shineys no new shineys no new shineys
But I have been looking at them
But I have been looking at them
Foxholer
Blackballed
I believe you thought is correct.
Wrist action through the hitting area is a good thing - adds considerably to swing speed if done correctly.
I believe your Pro would have been better to use the word 'release' rather than 'flip', but the important part was that it was 'on the way out of your swing' - meaning (just) before through after impact. Indeed the proponents of 'late release' would have your club almost 90* behind your arms not long before impact - something that is really going to require some wrist work!
I've noticed that lots of attributes of swings reflect what other sports have been played before golf. First Pro immediately picked my hockey background (so slow the swing and finish it!); Cricketers are pretty obvious (never release the wrists!) and Badminton/Squash players are frequent flippers.
@ Oddsocks. Haven't seen you swing (and not really trained to comment but wtf) but your distances seem about right for 'good swing' whatever flex the shafts are. I suspect that you are on the cusp between 'R' and 'S'. Unless your irons are clearly ballooning, I believe the flights will actually be pretty good as they always seem higher to the hitter than a nearby watcher. I have also been close to some really top golfers and was surprised how high they hit their irons. I's the soft landing that is generally most important, not the piercing flight (except when windy). I suggest you recap on what has brought you down the 4 shots you have dropped and what is likely to do the same again. Unless you are hitting some wild shots from apparently good swings, I believe changing clubs/shafts is not the best way forward. You can get a lot of (hopefully good) lessons for the price of a set of shiny new sticks!
Have you considered finding someone with some Burner 2s in Stiff and try hitting them?
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't know anyone with burners in stiff, I have contemplated buying a demo club in stiff to play with back to back against my 6i.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
No Pro flips their wrists. What they do is supinate the left wrist (Turn the back of the hand downwards, this is a rotation not a swatting action which is deadly to the golf swing. Also the video of Luke is showing him playing a sand shot which is a different action to a normal shot.
Sam keeps the clubface square to the swingpath throughout the swing and can hit the ball a very long way.
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Naturally I don't agree
Can you provide some hard facts pertaining to the swing speed or is that purely speculative?
I'm (almost) firmly with SocketRocket (I think)
We should use the big muscles to bring the club into impact correctly rather than rely on timing a roll release or club head manipulation of any sort in the split second of a 100mph downswing through impact. Luke Donald doesn't roll release, he re-cocks the club after impact and that's not the same. A flat left wrist is an A+
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Christov
Newbie
If you watch the video a bit longer there's an iron shot from Luke as well, had no idea this wrist rotation thing was called 'supination'... had to google it
For anyone else curious what it is, check out this: http://www.grouchygolf.com/2006/11/supinate-wrist-key-to-solid-swing.html
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Tomorrow I will post the true horror of my current swing. Try as I may, I cannot produce this flat left wrist. I have no doubt Rickg will mention floppy wrists again, and may be he has a point?
rickg
Money List Winner
Would'nt dream of mentioning your floppy wrist mate...........I'm far too mature for that....:rofl:
Foxholer
Blackballed
Naturally I don't agree
Can you provide some hard facts pertaining to the swing speed or is that purely speculative?
I'm (almost) firmly with SocketRocket (I think)
Oops. Meant to say 'can be' rather than 'is' a good thing. Got to be done well though (which I did say). And I stated 'wrist action' not 'flipping'. It should be obvious through simple mechanics that if the wrist moves the hand/club in the direction of the target then the swing speed at the club-head will be greater than if it doesn't.
To (mis)quote Homer, I don't give a XXXX what you call it, there is wrist action through the hitting area in these videos
Tiger Woods (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcP6X7dEUo
) and Luke Donald (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQaLIyvxZ64). The (left) wrist might be flat (at impact), but that is their skill, In fact, without the wrist action, the club wouldn't even hit the ball! Do agree that the Donald 'example' is not a great one as a bunker shot is 'different'.
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