That too IS and would be 'a precise mathematical exercise' albeit using data that is somewhat random.Any idea how they could do that? The calculation of a handicap is a precise mathematical exercise (albeit based upon an element of spurious data in the form of the slope rating), but any adjustment for conditions would surely be somewhat arbitrary.
Surely a mathematical calculation could be made comparing average scores returned in easy conditions with those in more challenging weather. From experience, my score in very windy conditions, which are common on my exposed course, is likely to be up to 6 shots higher than I would shoot in ideal conditions. If follows that the handicap of anyone who, like me, doesn't play when conditions are bad is likely to be too low OR the PCC doesn't work properly. I'm convinced that it is the latter. You shouldn't be able to manipulate your handicap by choosing the conditions in which you play.Any idea how they could do that? The calculation of a handicap is a precise mathematical exercise (albeit based upon an element of spurious data in the form of the slope rating), but any adjustment for conditions would surely be somewhat arbitrary.
That's been happening for years.Surely a mathematical calculation could be made comparing average scores returned in easy conditions with those in more challenging weather. From experience, my score in very windy conditions, which are common on my exposed course, is likely to be up to 6 shots higher than I would shoot in ideal conditions. If follows that the handicap of anyone who, like me, doesn't play when conditions are bad is likely to be too low OR the PCC doesn't work properly. I'm convinced that it is the latter. You shouldn't be able to manipulate your handicap by choosing the conditions in which you play.
I agree with some of this. Though how YOU score in very windy conditions may not, in itself, reflect how anybody/everybody else scores in those conditions.Surely a mathematical calculation could be made comparing average scores returned in easy conditions with those in more challenging weather. From experience, my score in very windy conditions, which are common on my exposed course, is likely to be up to 6 shots higher than I would shoot in ideal conditions. If follows that the handicap of anyone who, like me, doesn't play when conditions are bad is likely to be too low OR the PCC doesn't work properly. I'm convinced that it is the latter. You shouldn't be able to manipulate your handicap by choosing the conditions in which you play.
They are not PCCs - they are merely transposed CSS calculations. Chances are, if they were able to be recalculated using PCC, most would be zero.Its broken at the minute for sure
Ive got historical scores from pre-WHS comps that have PCC's of 2 or 3 in conditions that were better than Ive played in this year and not a single score has had a PCC added to it.
They are not PCCs - they are merely transposed CSS calculations. Chances are, if they were able to be recalculated using PCC, most would be zero.
They might well be the same handicap, but shoot different scores because of course difficulty, hence course rating differences (or previously SSS).Everyone knows that a 3 handicap at one course is maybe 7 at another.
Prevalent windy conditions are (or should be) accounted for in the Course and Slope Ratings. As such, PCC should not be expected to move upwards just because it's windy; in fact, the opposite is likely true, and it may be expected to move down in calm conditions.Surely a mathematical calculation could be made comparing average scores returned in easy conditions with those in more challenging weather. From experience, my score in very windy conditions, which are common on my exposed course, is likely to be up to 6 shots higher than I would shoot in ideal conditions. If follows that the handicap of anyone who, like me, doesn't play when conditions are bad is likely to be too low OR the PCC doesn't work properly. I'm convinced that it is the latter. You shouldn't be able to manipulate your handicap by choosing the conditions in which you play.
This is never how it has worked. And how could it, since "playing conditions being tough" is entirely subjective.Point stands - used to have adjustments pre-WHS for playing conditions being tough and now we have zero.
That was certainly true before WHS, but with Slope, it certainly should not be the case now.Everyone knows that a 3 handicap at one course is maybe 7 at another.
How do we know when we don't know how PCC is calculated because they won't publish it..?PCC is much more balanced in how it accounts for scores from across the handicap range, and is orders of magnitude more realistic about players expected scoring ability.
Because of the words used in Rule 5.6 when describing the WHS algorithm as opposed to the tables demonstrating the UHS bias.How do we know when we don't know how PCC is calculated because they won't publish it..?