PCC to be reviewed

[Deleted member 30522]

At the end of the day if the conditions are so bad it warrants an upwards calculation and you are putting in plenty of scores it is hardly likely that that round will affect your Handicap Index even if it replaces a very low score because the very low score would have been affected anyway.

A small number of people are still likely to beat their handicap on any given day, if you've done that on a horror of a day, that should be noted in your handicap adjustment with a suitable upward movement of PCC, but it's not, now nearly every day is the same.

 

[rosecott]

A small number of people are still likely to beat their handicap on any given day, if you've done that on a horror of a day, that should be noted in your handicap adjustment with a suitable upward movement of PCC, but it's not, now nearly every day is the same.

As a matter of interest, - sorry if you have previously posted it - how many PCCs have there been at your place since WHS started.

 

[Foxholer]

As a matter of interest, - sorry if you have previously posted it - how many PCCs have there been at your place since WHS started.

Surely there's a PCC every day there are sufficient scores (8?) registered.

Presumably, you mean 'a non-zero PCC'? Or even one >1?

Btw. I came across this document https://www.englandgolf.org/explaining-the-whs-playing-conditions-calculation/
It implies that PCC is not a direct replacement for CSS.

 

[rosecott]

Surely there's a PCC every day there are sufficient scores (8?) registered.

Presumably, you mean 'a non-zero PCC'? Or even one >1?

Btw. I came across this document https://www.englandgolf.org/explaining-the-whs-playing-conditions-calculation/
It implies that PCC is not a direct replacement for CSS.

Pedant alert.

PCC=0 being the norm, what else have we been discussing? The WHS PCC report shows only variations from the norm.

 

[greenone]

As a matter of interest, - sorry if you have previously posted it - how many PCCs have there been at your place since WHS started.

1 at ours.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

As a matter of interest, - sorry if you have previously posted it - how many PCCs have there been at your place since WHS started.

Zereo, not a single adjustment, through howling wind, to flat calm and hard running.

I play a lot of opens also, they've bumped 3 times, but two of those were in fields with in one case only 3 home players, and the other with no home player sat all.

 

[wjemather]

Zereo, not a single adjustment, through howling wind, to flat calm and hard running.

But what was the scoring like in relation to what should be expected? Your perception of the weather and ground conditions, and how relatively difficult (or easy) those things made it for you, are totally irrelevant.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

But what was the scoring like in relation to what should be expected? Your perception of the weather and ground conditions, and how relatively difficult (or easy) those things made it for you, are totally irrelevant.

Don't be ridiculous, we all know an easy and harder day when we see it, we see the scores coming in that back that up, yet not a single change. You think that's right? Honestly you're just trolling now.

 

[greenone]

But what was the scoring like in relation to what should be expected? Your perception of the weather and ground conditions, and how relatively difficult (or easy) those things made it for you, are totally irrelevant.

2nd round of club championship. 35mph winds, best score was 5 over par net, no pcc adjustment

 

[rulefan]

2nd round of club championship. 35mph winds, best score was 5 over par net, no pcc adjustment

What was the Course Rating?

 

[patricks148]

Zereo, not a single adjustment, through howling wind, to flat calm and hard running.

I play a lot of opens also, they've bumped 3 times, but two of those were in fields with in one case only 3 home players, and the other with no home player sat all.

I played 20 plus opens last year and the same club comps, only one adj which was the lowest possible in 30 mph wind and lashing rain, no scores close to handicap for those that teed off pm.

 

[wjemather]

Don't be ridiculous, we all know an easy and harder day when we see it, we see the scores coming in that back that up, yet not a single change. You think that's right? Honestly you're just trolling now.

Really? Yet you provide zero evidence that the scoring on any of these days is significantly worse (or better) than should be expected. Alternatively, please tell us your system for consistent adjustments worldwide based on your perceptions.

(edit) Also, please refrain from tossing insults around.

 

[wjemather]

2nd round of club championship. 35mph winds, best score was 5 over par net, no pcc adjustment

Sorry, but no assessment (on whether a PCC adjustment could reasonably be expected) can be made from this since par is irrelevant and all scores are taken into account, not just the best one.
To make a reasonable assessment, starting by approximating the proportion of players who returned scores within their expected range, we would need the same information as the system uses: everyone's adjusted gross scores (both comp & gp), handicaps and course/slope ratings.

 

[rosecott]

2nd round of club championship. 35mph winds, best score was 5 over par net, no pcc adjustment

I don’t know you or which course you play, but I find that extremely difficult to believe. Perhaps you could tell us CR, par and slope.

From a midweek competition last month at our place (an unusually low field of only 22), the best score in Division 1 was 32 points by a 12 handicapper and, in Division 2, 34 and 35 points by 22 handicappers and 35 by a 26 handicapper.

CR = par and PCC was +3

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Really? Yet you provide zero evidence that the scoring on any of these days is significantly worse (or better) than should be expected. Alternatively, please tell us your system for consistent adjustments worldwide based on your perceptions.

(edit) Also, please refrain from tossing insults around.

You've never actually played golf have you? You think the weather is the same every day? Or is it you think weather doesn't affect scoring?

Stop trolling.

 

[wjemather]

You've never actually played golf have you? You think the weather is the same every day? Or is it you think weather doesn't affect scoring?

Stop trolling.

Nice rant. I think you need to cool off, so I'll say bye for now.
However, if you do ever find some evidence to back up your opinions, please share.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Nice rant. I think you need to cool off, so I'll say bye for now.
However, if you do ever find some evidence to back up your opinions, please share.

Rant? Goodness petal, you're sensitive.

You've been given the evidence, PCC doesn't change. CSS changed all the time. Ergo, new system not fit for purpose as Scottish Golf are admitting.

But I wouldn't worry about replying, you're always trolling so you're on ignore

 

[Foxholer]

I don’t know you or which course you play, but I find that extremely difficult to believe. Perhaps you could tell us CR, par and slope.

From a midweek competition last month at our place (an unusually low field of only 22), the best score in Division 1 was 32 points by a 12 handicapper and, in Division 2, 34 and 35 points by 22 handicappers and 35 by a 26 handicapper.

CR = par and PCC was +3

First I've ever seen where adjustment that high.
In fact, I can't rmember seeing an adjustment greater than 1!

 

[Foxholer]

Rant? Goodness petal, you're sensitive.

You've been given the evidence, PCC doesn't change. CSS changed all the time. Ergo, new system not fit for purpose as Scottish Golf are admitting.
...

Er...Please show where they've 'admitted' that!

 

[wjemather]

Rant? Goodness petal, you're sensitive.

You've been given the evidence, PCC doesn't change. CSS changed all the time. Ergo, new system not fit for purpose as Scottish Golf are admitting.

But I wouldn't worry about replying, you're always trolling so you're on ignore

Your perceptions and opinions are not evidence.
You obviously just have some petty axe to grind with Scottish Golf, so are incapable of rational argument; you are also not assisted by by a failure to understand almost anything about handicapping, either UHS (and CSS) or WHS (and PCC).