Out of bounds question

[cliveb]

The Rules actually contemplate and recognize that a ball might enter a red penalty area from out of bounds. It's all discussed in Model Local Rule section B-2, which also provides the mechanism for the player to take penalty relief other than stroke and distance (by allowing penalty relief on the opposite side of the red penalty area).

Thanks. The existence of local rule B-2.2 clearly means that a ball in that situation is in bounds.
I will suggest to the club that it would be appropriate for that specific ditch on my home course.

 

[Steven Rules]

Also a quick google search also confirms: The R&A and USGA (the governing bodies for golf rules) specifically state that a Local Rule declaring a ball out of bounds if it merely crosses a boundary, even if it re-crosses and comes to rest on a part of the course, is not authorized

Yes. Those words come from the preamble to Model Local Rule A-4.

Unfortunately, AI can only learn from the information already out on the Net

Actually, there is another way for AI to learn. "Somebody" needs to provide the feedback and correct response generated in this thread back to the AI program. AI learns by receiving feedback on incorrect answers it generates.

 

[backwoodsman]

Yes. Those words come from the preamble to Model Local Rule A-4.


Actually, there is another way for AI to learn. "Somebody" needs to provide the feedback and correct response generated in this thread back to the AI program. AI learns by receiving feedback on incorrect answers it generates.

Thats what i said.

If you provided feedback, that feedback is of course 'out on the web' (or however one wishes to describe it). And the AI will learn from it. But theres still a lot of tosh out there too from which it can also learn

 

[cliveb]

Actually, there is another way for AI to learn. "Somebody" needs to provide the feedback and correct response generated in this thread back to the AI program. AI learns by receiving feedback on incorrect answers it generates.

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't appreciated that you can discuss the answer with the AI. I've just had a conversation with it to correct its errors, mentioning local rule A4. It was very polite and immediately accepted it had got things wrong.

I have to say it was pretty spooky how human-like it all seemed.

 

[clubchamp98]

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't appreciated that you can discuss the answer with the AI. I've just had a conversation with it to correct its errors, mentioning local rule A4. It was very polite and immediately accepted it had got things wrong.

I have to say it was pretty spooky how human-like it all seemed.

Not the humans on here.
They never say their wrong

 

[salfordlad]

I’m no rules official but I was always taught a ball is only out of bounds when in comes to rest. A quick check of the R&A rules app on my phone confirms this.

Also a quick google search also confirms: The R&A and USGA (the governing bodies for golf rules) specifically state that a Local Rule declaring a ball out of bounds if it merely crosses a boundary, even if it re-crosses and comes to rest on a part of the course, is not authorized

So I’m afraid your pals have been lazy in trying to get AI to answer for them rather than doing the leg work themselves and are now dying on a hill that doesn’t exist. R&A rules confirm it’s not OOB and they can’t argue local rules will state otherwise.

These bolded words are wrong, they are a misunderstanding, misrepresentation or misquotation of the published words. They only become correct when you re-insert the missing critical language, replacing "a part" with "the same part". A ball that crosses a boundary and comes to rest on part of the course in bounds can be declared out of bounds by local rule - see MLR A-5 for the special case where that applies.

 

[Colin L]

Reading through this thread, you could be excused for thinking AI to be the initials of a real person. Like cliveb I find that a bit spooky.

 

[LincolnShep]

I wonder what AI would learn by ingesting all the threads on the Golf Monthly forum.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I wonder what AI would learn by reading all the threads on the Golf Monthly forum.

That golfers are mental, spend to much money on hitting a little ball into a hole badly, that we are clueless, and a little bit obsessed!

We that’s what it would learn about me anyway

 

[cliveb]

The thing that bothers me about this specific encounter with AI is that some people at my club who I regard as intelligent and rational took its pronouncement as gospel.

And possibly even more alarming is that it made me question my own understanding and seek reassurance about it. Had a real person made the statement, I would have simply said "that's wrong".

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I guess the point with AI is that it is constantly learning. Rubbish in, rubbish out still stands tough. Until someone tells it the correct answer, it will continue to peddle rubbish.

Caveat emptor is the well known Latin phrase meaning "let the buyer beware". Perhaps we need a new version which states "let the reader beware"

 

[rulefan]

Artificial things are never as good as the real thing.

 

[Imurg]

I guess the point with AI is that it is constantly learning. Rubbish in, rubbish out still stands tough. Until someone tells it the correct answer, it will continue to peddle rubbish.

Caveat emptor is the well known Latin phrase meaning "let the buyer beware". Perhaps we need a new version which states "let the reader beware"

How does AI know which is the correct answer...?
Will it go with the majority?
But then..it is the future.....

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How does AI know which is the correct answer...?
Will it go with the majority?
But then..it is the future.....

Good question. I don't know how it works . Perhaps it goes off the majority

 

[salfordlad]

Reading through this thread, you could be excused for thinking AI to be the initials of a real person. Like cliveb I find that a bit spooky.

Ai Ai, Cap'n.

 

[Steven Rules]

These bolded words are wrong

Well played, Sir! Well spotted!

 

[clubchamp98]

Good question. I don't know how it works . Perhaps it goes off the majority

The problem with AI in golf rules learning is most golfers don’t know them well enough.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I always check AI answers within the context of a search (Google or otherwise) by looking for the link (a chain link icon) after the text to where the information was dug up from. No link and I’ll generally ignore. With a link I’ll usually click on it so that I can use my judgement on whether or not I should trust the source.

That said human intelligence is often not that intelligent…I give you one of my playing companions last Saturday.

With Winter Rules now active our club comp and rules sec published a summary guide of the important things we should know about Winter Rules and Autumn/Winter playing conditions.

On Sat on one hole I got to my ball and it looked to probably be sitting in the first cut rough, but I wasn’t sure whether it was or not so asked my playing companion. He told me I needn’t worry as Winter rules pick and place was for all of the General Area…and as the rough is in the GA I got relief anyway. He said he’d read it in our winter rules guidance doc.

I told him nah…he’s misread it. I pulled them up and saw where his confusion lay…(though what was written was unambiguous). I even quoted MLR E-3 to him. Was he convinced…I’m not sure. How many times has he taken relief when in the rough. How many times as he told others. Will he continue?

I dunno. For some AI is Arbitrary Intelligence

Anyway, I could only do what I did. Btw…I decided I was in the rough and did not take relief.

 

[Colin L]

I wonder what AI would learn by ingesting all the threads on the Golf Monthly forum.

It would probably throw up.

 

[nickjdavis]

Good question. I don't know how it works . Perhaps it goes off the majority

Like in many aspects of life....he who shouts loudest is often taken most notice of, even if he is wrong.

In a similar vein...AI no doubt trawls the most popular, most hit upon resources...the ones that the various search engines optimise, and decides that they must be the correct ones to quote.