Doon frae Troon
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I accept your apology (I will treasure and nurture it)
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Imurg
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Emilia LiverpoolPhil is a bit of a mouthful innit 😕😜..??
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I can only echo and agree with your sentiments about the Staff, my lad was born at 28 weeks weighing 1lb 10oz back in 1993 at St Thomas's Hospital, spent 100 days in Special Care and came home weighing a massive 4lb.
I'm sorry for your misfortunes Hovis but I generally find the good outweigh the bad, I and many others have horror stories about some of the Service Personnel we served with and I've no doubt you'll find them in the Fire Service as well, that's not to excuse the bad, but at times I think the good doesn't get the credit it deserves.
Phil, hope Mam and Emilia are doing good.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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My children were brought up thinking their surname was C'Mear - as in John C'Mear!!
kiddin'
Did you look it up or was it something you heard before and liked or based it on someone you know by the same name?
The different meanings of the name Emelia are:
Latin meaning: Rival; emulating.
Greek meaning: Friendly; soft.
Germanic meaning: Industrious.
English meaning: Rival; emulating.
Which meaning would you prefer your little girl to adopt?
SocketRocket
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It's a shame this post has a political trait. Here's my take on it.
It matters not a jot to me what colour or creed medical staff are, I do have an issue though with our policy of actively poaching/stealing these people from countries that can least afford to train them and then see them leave. We should man up to the fact that we need trained medical professionals and fund the training and salaries that will enable us to create and retain these people. What we are currently doing is so bad we should be ashamed our ourselves. Regarding Brexit, I fail to see the relevance, it has been made clear enough that we will continue to attract immigration for the skills we need, surely no one sensible is still suggesting we will bring a complete halt to immigration!
It matters not a jot to me what colour or creed medical staff are, I do have an issue though with our policy of actively poaching/stealing these people from countries that can least afford to train them and then see them leave. We should man up to the fact that we need trained medical professionals and fund the training and salaries that will enable us to create and retain these people. What we are currently doing is so bad we should be ashamed our ourselves. Regarding Brexit, I fail to see the relevance, it has been made clear enough that we will continue to attract immigration for the skills we need, surely no one sensible is still suggesting we will bring a complete halt to immigration!
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Foxholer
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Do you see a contradiction with the 2 bold bits? Or is the 2nd one simply (reluctant) acknowledgement that the first will continue!
BTW. All countries 'compete' for talent in skill shortage areas, or at least provide incentives for potential immigrants who have in-demand skills! And that has been the case for decades!
There certainly needs to be more incentives for locals to train/qualify, but i don't believe better salaries are a major part of a solution! Increasing salaries only works if they are below acceptable/alternative levels for locals - which may be the case. Simply increasing salaries just creates more incentives for, perhaps even better qualified, foreign talent!
Oh, and any additional training needs to be 4 years or less - to implement and see the results within 1 parliament! Sad, but a political fact!
Tashyboy
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Fish your a bad man.
Joking aside, gorgeous name Phil.. Missis LP chose well 👍😁
SocketRocket
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I am not really making a contradiction. I am not saying that if someone from abroad applies for an NHS job they shouldn't be considered, I am saying we should not be actively recruiting from these poorer countries in favor of training ourselves.
Regarding salaries. NHS staff have had their salaries pinned for a number of years now and we need to ensure they are competitive such that people we do train do not leave the NHS due to noncompetitive wage rates.
I understand that starting to train more medical staff is not a quick fix but we should make a start now.
Why am I, it's a genuine question, I mean nothing by it?
It's not a common name so I just wondered what prompted it to be chosen.
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We read it in a baby book and the meaning they had was - to strive and excel. It went on the list of three we had , then my wife read it in a book and it looked nice written down so it become our number one choice
Tashyboy
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Coz ave altered what you wrote you plank, read it again about the Scouse bit.
Old Skier
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Best to as they are rarely but genuine when given.I accept your apology (I will treasure and nurture it
Old Skier
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not in your vocabulary, how's your geography coming along.
Siren
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First of all congrats on the little one, go by the Greek meaning of her name as it is the best for a little girl in my humble opinion. After what has clearly been a troubling time I am glad all of you are safe and sound, healthy on on your way to becoming a happy family, best of luck to you.
Lovely to read the comments around the staff. My wife was a long suffering auxiliary who has finally gone back to university to finish her degree in nursing. Posts like this will make her smile as she is one of the good ones.
As for NHS and Brexit........ Time will tell, funding has been cut so prospective nurses no longer get a bursary while going through university which can only dwindle the number of applicants further.
HomerJSimpson
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Sorry but as someone that works in NHS recruitment I'm afraid at best this is crap. In terms of midwives, we as a trust run an rolling campaign every 4-6 weeks and invite shortlisted candidates to attend an assessment centre to then test written and numeracy skills (including drugs calculations) role play scenarios and one to one interviews. The majority that have applied in 2017 have been either those coming to the end of the midwifery course (usually via our feeder university, UWL - university of West London) or from Portugal and Italy. We did not actively advertise there. They have qualifications that are recognised by the NMC as being comparable with those required in the UK. Explain to me why, when we are under staffed in all areas of maternity and are clearly only recruiting newly qualified UK staff, shouldn't we then utilise these candidates. They still have to travel and attend in the same way as everyone else and clearly they have something they feel they can offer.
As it happens, we have now expanded our recruiting to utilise social media. This has generated significant interest but the candidates that apply still come from areas including Ireland, Portugal and Italy. There is a recognised shortage of experienced midwives not only on my trust but nationally so to preclude those that can demonstrate their competencies and are willing to travel and work, what trust is going to be narrow minded enough to exclude those?
Salaries are dictated by agenda for change. This is a national scale and there are strict rules attached to what can and can't be offered. To be honest, we can attract newly qualified staff who will start at band 5 on £22,148. I would suggest that for 23-24 year olds out of uni they are relatively competitive, especially with annual increments to follow, or in the case of my trust, promotion to band 6 (approx £26k - I can't remember the exact agenda for change number off hand) on completion of their core competencies. Again this comes with annual increments.
It isn't just midwives. We as a trust (along with most) are struggling to recruit experienced nurses (over and above newly qualifieds) and we have been to Ireland and just completed a campaign in the Philippines (recruiting approx 250 subject to work permits) including offers of golden hello payments, subject to a two year minimum retention period (or repay the money paid). If you then move that to radiographers, and especially specialist roles like Sonographers and Mammographers, there is a chronic nationwide shortage and is a recognised Home Office shortage occupation and so getting work permits for overseas staff is made easier.
Trust me, it's not an easy act to get full compliments of staff. Not only that but getting good quality staff that are engaged and want to stay for a reasonable period of time. The days of being able to cherry pick the very best and home grown talent are long gone and to think otherwise is naive and to preclude worldwide nurses capable of doing a competent role is plain daft
Tashyboy
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Good write up Homer me man, my grief is that people like yourself are having to pick up the pieces of not enough home grown trained personnel over the last X number of years so we shouldn't have this current problem.
HomerJSimpson
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Been in recruitment for 10 years so it's been both political sides of the coin and to be perfectly honest things at the shop floor level hasn't changed over that time and we've openly recruited from wherever we can get the best, competent staff. We got huge media coverage about 5-6 years ago when we went out and got 50 or so Irish nurses in en masse. Many (I don't have numbers but I'd suggest at least 50%) are still in the trust.
To be brutally honest, all I am interested in is getting the bast staff member for each role and where they come from, subject to right to work checks, references, etc is largely irrelevant. All our team is trying to do is get the best staff to ensure we a) cut agency costs so more money can be allocated t patient services and b) ensure wards have the best knowledge and experience available to give patients the best experience and outcome possible. Of course we get it wrong at times. We aren't alone in that though. I don't know the answer and I can only do what I can with the resources available
Tashyboy
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I would be telling porkies if I said my comments were based upon my sole knowledge of said particular subject. Most of what I have said comes from Missis T who echoes your thoughts.
Cannot understand why we do not have enough people throughout the UK trained to do said above jobs.
Missis T said the answer lies in the inevitable privatisation of the NHS. She said part of her will be as happy as a pig in muck when she Retires in July.
HomerJSimpson
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I'm not an expert but I think the bottom line is simply we as a nation aren't getting enough people into the university places. How you change that and make nursing a career that is aspirational as you could argue it was in the 60's and 70's. Even in Ireland which has always had a reputation for producing nursing staff to fill the gaps in our UK compliment is now struggling to get their own staff through the training process
