SyR
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Yet they are reducing the higher tax rate from 50% to 45%.:thup:
Online petition for IDS
- Thread starter sydney greenstreet
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Yet they are reducing the higher tax rate from 50% to 45%.:thup:
stevie_r
Tour Winner
It has precisely nothing to do with overcrowding. It does have a lot to do with reducing the benefit bill. Unfortunately rather than targeting appropriately it will force hardship upon a substantial number of genuinely vulnerable people. It is too broad brush.
Likewise the change from Incapacity Benefit to ESA where a vast amount of genuine claimants were reclassified and placed into specific groups within ESA without a medical assessment. The changes to DLA will also severely affect many with medical assessments using some fairly ridiculous criteria to score people.
The country needs to save money, we all know that, taking money from the most vulnerable in society is not the way to do it - but it is very easy. A lot easier for example than taking on huge corporations (and indeed ridiculously wealthy individuals) for whom tax avoidance has reached ridiculous levels. We could also for example reconsider whether we want to spend £12.6 billion on foreign aid next year, more incidentally than we will spend on policing our own country.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
This higher tax rate was introduced by the last Government in the last few weeks of office, they kept the 40% rate through the rest of the period.
Anyhow, why should people be taxed at a higher rate, they already pay more tax if they have high earnings. I cant see whats wrong with having a maximum 40% rate and if you earn lots of money then you still pay lots of tax, whats the point of punishing people that do well. The problem is we are taxed too much, if we could keep more of our hard earned money then we would be able to spend it on what we choose rather than the Government spending it for us. It really gets me when people think the way forward is to punish those that create wealth.
Shaunmg
Head Pro
Tp reiterate on my last contribution we have 6 million plus, either un-employed or under employed. I agree entirely with the view expressed benefits should be a stop gap and not a way of life for the able bodied. Nor should it be subsidy for bad and cheap skate employers. Most benefit claimants are employed
Right now jobs with a living wage simply do not exist for the 6 million in need of them. It’s no good skirting round every excuse in the book for reason behind un and under employment, when the real reason for such high benefits claim is the lack of living wage jobs. Again I reiterate Living wage jobs.
I hear myself shouting at the telly each week when watching question time, and hear the Posh Tory describing the jobs created in the private sector. Part time at Tesco, Costa Coffee, THEY ARE NOT JOBS!
The way to recovery is to create real jobs and re-dress the damage done in the 80s by Thatcherism. My home town was a thriving industrial town, mining, glass, chemical and engineering. Almost all gone, bar a handful still remaining in what was once booming glass industry. I have witnessed my town go from prosperity to poverty.
We need to increase public spending and build our way back to employment. Not reduce it so the wealthy pay less tax. We have to speculate to accumulate Create real work, that’s how we reduce benefits. Those that can, should pay more to achieve it and if that includes me then so be it.
Why should high earners pay more? well as the posh Tory would say “we are all in it together†but I think not
Matty
Tour Rookie
I never cease to be amazed when people from working backgrounds in what we would describe as 'third world nations' are disgusted and astonished at our welfare system. They have been born to nations where if you want anything from life you work for it and you work hard.
They come to the UK to further their ambitions and see British people who have never worked, paid no NI or income tax and yet have enough money given to them to subscribe to Sky and have the latest smart phone!
They come to the UK to further their ambitions and see British people who have never worked, paid no NI or income tax and yet have enough money given to them to subscribe to Sky and have the latest smart phone!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
So borrow more, tax more then?
How do you think enough jobs can be created when 4 Million extra people (growing daily) have come into the country. I have said previously that the government will never create real jobs, that can only be done by the people with the guts to create and grow businesses, you know the types, those you want to tax more.
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6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
i live in a modest 3 bed semi moved in when they were built 25 years ago,never missed a payment or my council tax,worked hard for everything i have,and so did my 5 neibours( small close),over the past few years 2 of the houses have been sold to private landlords who at first rented them to doctors from the local hospital (whiston),now we have 2 families who do not work,there are 5 adults of working age and 4 school age kids,the properties are paid for by us the tax payers and a far as i can assume so will all the other houshold bills,the state of the properties is a disgrace and we have the police constantly calling to one house or the other because of noise or burning rubbish in the garden(plastic off cable!!!!!),these people have never worked and have no intention of working,the sponge of the tax payer and think it is a right to have the same as everyone else,why should we the tax payer subsidise the likes of these people,they are just scum and leeches,everyone who is in receipt of JSA should be made to do voluntery work to the value of ALL monies recieved NO turn up NO money,this will sort the scum from the unfortinates.
stevie_r
Tour Winner
I agree
Shaunmg
Head Pro
Yes I know the type; I’m one of the them. I’ve been MD of the small but thriving business that I helped create 14 years ago. I employed no part timers only full time.
I don’t disagree about immigration, but you can’t bandy about figures on immigration from a one sided viewpoint, you have consider net migration and Brits working abroad
My business, that I have recently sold, but remain as a consultant relies heavily work in Europe. You are only seeing one side. When recently in Poland I was amazed at how many other British workers were working there.
Of course the difference was, it was British firms winning contracts in Poland, just like my company was, and then taking their employees over to do the work. It’s not just Poland, I see it in many other EU countries
As usual there are the comments on this thread about shirkers and scroungers, again I can’t disagree, but they are a minority who should be sorted out. Either no one is listening or ignoring the point, most people drawing benefit are in work, in what I call non jobs. As long as everyone in this discussion continues to ignor that fact, I'll keep repeating it. There are little or no real jobs in the North, most on JSA are doing exactly that; seeking jobs
If governments can’t create jobs then how did the Iceland government do it. It wasn’t the Iceland bankers who did it, they couldn’t, they are in jail
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6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
Saun,I also live in ST HELEN'S and the town has been made a waste land by the LABOUR council,you mentioned the glass industry in the town this was lost due to the unions demanding more and more,pilks sold out to and a lot of the workers took a golden handshake,we now have the situation were they have moved most of the production out of the country,because it is cheaper,that's business,as reform British workers working in POLAND,that's fine but they will not get free houses or the amount of benefits that POLISH workers get in this country that is the difference,how can it be right that a POLISH worker gets child benefit for his kids who are living inPOLAND,
Luulox
Assistant Pro
I truly hope that the people making the disgusting comments on here supporting bedroom tax and the savage welfare cuts for "skivers" one day wake up to find themselves in the situation lots of these so called "skivers" find themselves in. It only takes an illness or a redundancy or a business going bust for you to be in the same position as the people that you are denigrating. Lets hope you get shown a lot more compassion than you give out. You are whats wrong with this country not people who care about people worse off than them, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am not a labour supporter either just someone who as seen both sides of the coin and found that the majority in both worlds are decent people unlike you self righteous right wing people
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6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
yes i am right wing cant see a problem with that,i class skivers as those that have never worked or had any intention of working BUT expect the same lifestyle of those that have,if everyone lived within their means and didnt get themselves into debt to keep up an apperance but saved some money for a rainy day the loss of a job would be less of a shock,how many on this forum knows people who max out their credit cards buy the latest car or golf equipment even though they cant afford it? just to look good,why should i pay for someone to live in a state owned property that is paid for with my tax that is to big for them while a family is living in overcrowded accomodation down the road? choices have to be made and some are tougher than others but that doesnt meen they should be scrapped.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Seems to me you haven't read the posts or thought this through, no one is saying genuine people should not be looked after. You know the difference between who are deserving and who are spongers on the hard working population, you cant be so naive that you believe everyone on benefits are hard done by. Benefits are supposed to be for genuinely disabled and as a temporary support to those who fall on hard times, not as a life time career for the work shy and unemployable.
You need to face up to the reality of life, we are not guaranteed a nice life style, if we want that then we have to make it for our selves. Just look at this disgusting specimen Philpott, he is the result of the way the entitlement system have ruined so many by encouraging them to live their lives only for greed.
I know what it's like to have nothing, to loose everything but I have never taken a benefit in my life, I have worked very hard, created jobs for others and paid a lot of money into the system. To reiterate, most people care about the misfortunate but not the spongers who are too lazy to fend for themselves.
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The british working abroad are not going there to get better state handouts and are normally self financing.
Regarding most benefits being paid to working people! I know and have heard many people saying they wont work more than sixteen hours a week because they will lose benefits, this cant be right can it. Also so many relatively well off people are getting tax credits, surely this is also wrong, it's better to tax people less and let them keep their money than overtaxing them then giving them money back.
The welfare budget rose by 60% under the Labour government in a relatively boom period, all to buy votes for Gordon Brown. How ever people look at the situation you cannot get away from the fact that we are funding all this with borrowed money and this cannot continue for long without the country going bankrupt. savings have to be made and tough decisions will need to be made, everyone that loses a benefit will naturally protest they are being victimised. It's no good people saying the rich are being given big tax cuts, this amount wont eve scratch the surface of the problem with state overspending.
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stevie_r
Tour Winner
You are right, it is a fact that people on benefits are more likely to burn their children to death
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
You are right, it is a fact that people on benefits are more likely to burn their children to death
Cheap shot!
scratch
Q-School Graduate
I have a solution to unemployment and the 'benefits' culture and it is very simple.
Make all those people on benefits work for them. There are loads of things they could be doing to contribute towards society such as litter picking, cleaning off graffiti, assisting the elderly etc. And for those with trades, how about renovating properties so that the homeless have somewhere to live.Basically, all the things that councils can't afford to do because they don't have the funding.
Give the unemployed the choice, full benefits but you earn them or the bare minimum to get by (no booze, fags, Sky TV, xboxes etc).
Oh.....hang on. This might infringe on their human right to lay about on the sofa all day scratching their backside and watching Jeremy Kyle while the rest of us go out to work to support them
Make all those people on benefits work for them. There are loads of things they could be doing to contribute towards society such as litter picking, cleaning off graffiti, assisting the elderly etc. And for those with trades, how about renovating properties so that the homeless have somewhere to live.Basically, all the things that councils can't afford to do because they don't have the funding.
Give the unemployed the choice, full benefits but you earn them or the bare minimum to get by (no booze, fags, Sky TV, xboxes etc).
Oh.....hang on. This might infringe on their human right to lay about on the sofa all day scratching their backside and watching Jeremy Kyle while the rest of us go out to work to support them
Luulox
Assistant Pro
your not paying for them to live there the amount of your personal tax that goes to pay welfare is not a lot of your total bill. if the banks had lived within their means some poor mug with a extra bedroom wouldnt have to pay for the bankers greed. Its absolute balls that this government is trying to say the poor put us in this mess. this country is not in the muck because someone has a room free.
As for socketrocket this quote shows what you are so i wont be wasting my breath with you -
" You need to face up to the reality of life, we are not guaranteed a nice life style, if we want that then we have to make it for our selves. Just look at this disgusting specimen Philpott, he is the result of the way the entitlement system have ruined so many by encouraging them to live their lives only for greed"
trying to use the death of 6 kids as justification is sickening. I read your post perfectly well, did you post that on a break from "mien kampf"?
This government is perpetuating a myth that its all because of welfare that we are struggling and selfish ignorant fools are aiding them in their work. Dont spout your big man " i never claimed this" "ive always worked" Some people have not had the life chances and in most part, luck of birth a few in this country have had. May it come back to bite you on the backside
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
So what you are saying is that if someone has a different opinion than you then the best way to debate the subject is with personal insults. Regarding your misquotation in what I said about Phillpot, where did I say the death of six kids was a justification? I said the way he used the beneffit system for his own greed was disgusting. You really are a bit of a sensationalist who twists things to suit your own left wing beliefs.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
This petition is a load of utter nonsense. Did anyone ever ask any of the last Labour government (who contributed to this mess) to live on benefit amounts? No. Why? Were benefits too generous? I should remind anyone who is even contemplating signing this tosh that IDS has been unemployed twice. Before he became a politician. Yes, he even had a proper job once. Unlike most politicians these days.
