On a Day by Day basis which would you rather play?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But how are you? 36 points is a good round whatever way you look at it. I'm looking at this the reverse way to you - why beat yourself up over one bad hole ruining the round? Stableford actually gives you a better outlook and a more healthy attitude about how you played. You call it delusion, I say you played a fantastic round for 17 out of 18 holes.

Ah Ollie…when we played Puttenham you saw my weaknesses on full display…but you also saw how I can most often cover them up through good recovery and usually end up OK (especially couple of years back at Camberley). But I have to be honest about my weaknesses, for some days my recovery game just doesn’t work.

 

[Imurg]

Exactly! Done it myself a few years back, had an 11 on our 2nd and still made buffer.

Made a triple on the 1st in a Medal years back and still won by 3........

 

[Orikoru]

Ah Ollie…when we played Puttenham you saw my weaknesses on full display…but you also saw how I can most often cover them up through good recovery and usually end up OK (especially couple of years back at Camberley). But I have to be honest about my weaknesses, for some days my recovery game just doesn’t work.

I still don't see how playing Stableford means you can't do that when you reflect on the round afterwards. A blob or a quad bogey is essentially the same when you're analysing a round - just a bad hole. Root cause would be the same. If you're telling me you completely ignore your bad holes in Stableford then that's on you. My mentality would be the same for getting a blob as for getting an 8 or 9 in a medal.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Brilliant, you’ve got him scoring 5 points on 3 holes! You’ve counted twice!

So not only did we not know the Par or SI or which holes he dropped the shots on, I still think you’re wrong!

On 13 holes he gets 2 points = 26 points.

On 3 holes he gets 3 points = 9 points

I make that 35 points.

Anyone else want to make something up

On the 16 holes he makes 13 pars and 3 bogeys. That would be 29 points with no shots and 41 points with 12 shots.

He gets 6 points for the 3 holes he makes bogey on. That uses 3 of his 12 shots.
His 13 pars are 4 with no shots for 8 points and 9 with shots for 27 points.

6 + 8 + 27 = 41 points.

 

[PaulMdj]

On the 16 holes he makes 13 pars and 3 bogeys. That would be 29 points with no shots and 41 points with 12 shots.

He gets 6 points for the 3 holes he makes bogey on. That uses 3 of his 12 shots.
His 13 pars are 4 with no shots for 8 points and 9 with shots for 27 points.

6 + 8 + 27 = 41 points.

You’re changing the rules again!

The 2 holes he had 7 over on, were they shot holes?

If so he has 10 shots left over 16 holes

He could have 10 Pars with a shot = 30 points
6 holes level 2’s = 12 points

So now he has 42 points!! Better than you’re scenario.

Now the 2 holes were no shot holes
So he has 12 left over 16

12 Pars = 36
4 Pars = 8

Now we get 44 points

You’ve cherry picked a nonsense scenario to try and prove a point:

10 shots over 16 holes - bogey’s them all = 26 points.

 

[Voyager EMH]

After opening up after Covid lockdown we made every comp Stableford except Club Championship.

Sometime after this I recall that howdidoody had a year-long thing that you could enter. Declare before starting a club comp round and then a number of your scores went into a nationwide comp. But the club comp had to be a medal for some reason. This could have been one of the reasons why we moved some comps back to medal.
Sorry I can't be clearer about the howdidido comp, but I did not enter it, so memory is vague.

In the forthcoming year it will be interesting to see the split in preference for our weekly weekday comps. You can choose white tee medal or yellow tee stableford every week. It is just the one choice on the one day. Two separate comps.

 

[Voyager EMH]

You’re changing the rules again!

The 2 holes he had 7 over on, were they shot holes?

If so he has 10 shots left over 16 holes

He could have 10 Pars with a shot = 30 points
6 holes level 2’s = 12 points

So now he has 42 points!! Better than you’re scenario.

Now the 2 holes were no shot holes
So he has 12 left over 16

12 Pars = 36
4 Pars = 8

Now we get 44 points

You’ve cherry picked a nonsense scenario to try and prove a point:

10 shots over 16 holes - bogey’s them all = 26 points.

On an earlier post I said no shots on the two blob holes.

He got 12 shots on the 16 holes and made 13 pars and three bogeys. 3-over for these 16 holes and 7-over for the two blob holes. 10-over for the round.

We breakdown his 16 scoring holes where he receives 12 shots and was a total of 3-over par as follows

3 bogeys - shot holes - 6 points (3x2)
9 pars - shot holes - 27 points (9x3)
4 pars - no shot holes - 8 points (4x2)

6+27+8 = 41 points

 

[Orikoru]

We're really getting bogged down in the detail of this imaginary round by two imaginary golfers aren't we?

 

[PaulMdj]

On an earlier post I said no shots on the two blob holes.

He got 12 shots on the 16 holes and made 13 pars and three bogeys. 3-over for these 16 holes and 7-over for the two blob holes. 10-over for the round.

We breakdown his 16 scoring holes where he receives 12 shots and was a total of 3-over par as follows

3 bogeys - shot holes - 6 points (3x2)
9 pars - shot holes - 27 points (9x3)
4 pars - no shot holes - 8 points (4x2)

6+27+8 = 41 points

You didn’t say that in your initial post and as I’ve said not only did you change/add to the scenario it’s a nonsense point you’ve made up to try and look clever.
It makes no sense, try and stick with facts, we get you prefer medal.

 

[Voyager EMH]

We're really getting bogged down in the detail of this imaginary round by two imaginary golfers aren't we?

Yes we certainly are, but I'm enjoying it. It is interesting.

 

[Voyager EMH]

You didn’t say that in your initial post and as I’ve said not only did you change/add to the scenario it’s a nonsense point you’ve made up to try and look clever.
It makes no sense, try and stick with facts, we get you prefer medal.

You are correct that I did not put that in my original post, but I did so in my response to your first post on this.

However, if you read my original post on this scenario carefully, then it is clear that he gets no shots on the two blob holes. That is how he scores 41 points on the other 16.

I seem to "get it" with everyone's posts. But I'm happy to continue to read all posts on this subject.

I do not believe anything I have written is untrue or misleading.

 

[PaulMdj]

You are correct that I did not put that in my original post, but I did so in my response to your first post on this.

However, if you read my original post on this scenario carefully, then it is clear that he gets no shots on the two blob holes. That is how he scores 41 points on the other 16.

Or 26 or 44 or 42 or or or

 

[bobmac]

That is the point of the handicaps - so that we can compete alongside each other

In friendly games with your mates/colleagues

If the prize only went to whoever scored the best then comps would die away

Don't agree, people would still enter but have nett side bets with their mates/colleagues.

I would never take up a new sport and expect to start winning big prizes within 6 months.

 

[Deleted member 30853]

I've seen competitions before where the main prize is hi 18 and under playing medal and over 18s playing stableford for a separate prize. Seems like a fair compromise to me.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

look at hole

Pick club

Hit ball

Walk after ball

Pick another club

Hit ball

Repeat until in the hole

Write score on the card

Move to the next hole and repeat another 17 times

Sign card

Have a drink and enjoy

 

[bobmac]

look at hole

Pick club

Hit ball

Walk after ball

Pick another club

Hit ball

Repeat until in the hole

Write score on the card

Move to the next hole and repeat another 17 times

Sign card

Have a drink and enjoy

Risk assessment ?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

In friendly games with your mates/colleagues

Don't agree, people would still enter but have nett side bets with their mates/colleagues.

I would never take up a new sport and expect to start winning big prizes within 6 months.

I can only guess you haven’t interacted with many golf club members in recent years

Remove nett and handicap prizes and people won’t enter comps

We are playing at a club level for a club ahop voucher , or a little club trophy

This isn’t the Brabazon etc

It’s just club comps

And from experience of being involved in those club comps for the past 10 years

removing nett prizes kills the comp

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Risk assessment ?

None required

It’s a simple game

 

[bobmac]

None required

It’s a simple game

18 holes
6 easy pins
6 medium pins
6 hard pins
Attack the easy and some medium pins but leave the hard pins alone.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Or 26 or 44 or 42 or or or

No.
He scores 41 as I have described.
Stableford worked to his advantage and to the disadvantage of the higher handicapper. If it had been a medal the higher handicapper would have won.
That was the scenario that I chose, in order to show that sometimes a higher handicapper can be at a disadvantage in Stableford.

I had no intention to have such a lengthy discussion about the scoring details. But I have been happy to do so - made things very clear for everyone - tedious for some, though, I'm sure.